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Maybe. I sold my ZO ‘08 this year. Replaced with a USED 6 figure SN. Yes, it stung. 2 kids set PBs first set though, so I’ll take it?

I was merely saying Ferrari has very inelastic demand as its units increased marginally, revenue substantially, which means per unit pricing went up substantially. But I’m also saying it would seem their net operating profit seems to demonstrate they saw significant increase in cost of goods sold or their net operating profit would have gone up much more. “Actual net profit” in your last may be explained by other accounting factors. Perhaps even value of their F1 team now that signed LH. Embarrassingly, I actually have a degree in finance, but have forgotten most everything related to accounting, and don;t work in finance at all. So I could be way off too! Malibu’s quarterly earning call is next week. It’ll be interesting for sure. As Jody correctly said, it costs way more to build these boats than one would think so I don;t know they’re “overpriced for what you get”. It might be fair to say that they feel like their pricing is not justified in light of other types of boats and their pricing, But I’ll standby what I said before that nothing sells for as bloated prices as the large center console market in America. It is out of control. In any event. They can’t slash prices. I just looked and in Malibu’s last quarterly report, net income margin was less than 5%. About 11% EBIDTA margin. While it is of course not exact, if Malibu dropped prices 5%, it literally generates no profit. That is not going to be happening. As it relates to the expense of building boats in this market, inboard pricing is actually quite reasonable IMO. Tesla can cut prices and still make a profit. They’ve demonstrated that. The big three can’t do that, IMO. All they can do is scale back production to let market demand catch up to what they can provide for a price people are willing to pay

Just for discussion sake, I can agree that inflation and global economy issues didn’t affect their buyers which is obviously represented by significantly higher revenues, despite far less (increase) in units. The obvious conclusion is that they were able to charge more per unit than the previous year. However, that’s the (lack of) top line effect of inflation. Given that their operating margins were up just 3%, if they were inflation proof on the supply/production side, then in theory their operating margins should’ve been up 17%, in line with their revenues. Said another way, it could be argued that those numbers reflect a 14% increase in its expenses associated with each unit produced…inflation….it just so happens that their buyers can afford that absorption, but I don’t we can conclude inflation didnt affect their financials substantially.

In my simplistic response, I would say that the ski Boat market has demonstrated repeatedly that it does not want the cheapest way to provide a good wake and power delivery. The majority of three event boat buyers are clearly demonstrating that they don’t mind paying a premium over a “base” model workhorse. For example, virtually everyone was buying Malibu open edition TXIs. Even though base motors are sufficient for most buyers, it sure seems that in the wild, engines are usually upgraded. The TXI could be had cheaper than a ProStar yet Mastercraft sold way more ProStars. The new Ski Nautique obviously got priced in the stratosphere, and although obviously more pro stars were sold than Ski Nautiques, it’s not as if correct craft hasn’t been able to sell them. I recognize that a higher percentage of correct crafts may be going to promo than MC, but It just seems the market has demonstrated that people don’t want a new, cheaper option to ski.

BOS discount offerred? 😀

I agree with you generally, but Malibu's GPM on an Axis is not likely far from GPM for CC on a SN. On the "dealer" side, margin is just what people will pay a dealer in profit. Hard to draw bright-line rules but surely there have been prostars sold where the dealer made 20+%, and NXT deals where it's <15%. But to the point, sure, anything thats more expensive yields more margin for each step to the consumer. Yes, GPMs are publicly available. It's harder to decipher by product mix, however. All I've ever garnered are averages, or at least profit/units, although Malibu does break out product mix of Axis to Malibu, but not among the M series and "regular" Malibus. We're not in disagreement as to the (lack of) PM. I previously said: "there really isn’t a ton of profit margin on wakeboats. They vary by product mix and options but it’s not as if the big 3 are “making” tons of money. Malibu has never even paid a dividend to my knowledge. I don’t know about MC." I'm in agreement with you (I think) that cost of good sold for the big 3 are remarkably high. And inflation has been partly to blame for that no doubt.

At 300k it’s virtually stripped down. It doesn’t even have a plotter. Either way, call it a $400,000 boat (assuming pound and $ 1:1). I take your point, but there really isn’t a ton of profit margin on wakeboats. They vary by product mix and options but it’s not as if the big 3 are “making” tons of money. Malibu has never even paid a dividend to my knowledge. I don’t know about MC. If you want to look at ridiculous pricing, look at the 35-50 foot center consoles by yellowfin, pursuit, Parker, and invincible. You can easily eclipse $1M for what is basically 2 slabs of fiberglass with live wells and bolt on power. 22 foot bay boats eclipse $100,000, easy. Acknowledging that ski/wake boat prices are outside of reach for most doesn’t make them “nuts”. If capitalism suppported a significantly cheaper option, the market would’ve spoken. The latest attempt to do so was by Heyday. To my knowledge, they’re not exactly blowing it up, yet you can get one for basically 1/3 of the price of the big 3. There are significant performance and feature differences between them, which is why the market obviously gravitates towards the higher performing boats. if people really wanted a significantly cheaper ski boat alternative, the market would’ve supported the carbon pro, tige 20i, hydrodyne, Toyota, Infiniti, etc. People have just clearly demonstrated they are willing to spend more for a premium ski boat. Whether that is justified by its performance, options, and features, that’s for everyone to decide for themselves, but the market has clearly spoken of the lack of demand for cheaper alternatives.

@mike_mapple would performance be willing to do a group buy on the orbits yall have in stock?

Everyone can have their own opinion as to aesthetics. I personally thought the new TXI looked amazing. I wouldn’t even consider it as polarizing as the new Ski Nautique. But as to Malibu marinizing their own engines, I personally thought that was a great thing. It simplified warranty issues, reduced expenses, simplified tech training, and was a robust product.

I always thought a lot of correct craft when they ran ads saying goodbye and thank you to Ron. 15 world titles I do believe. Think Malibu will run any thanking RJ?

05 per the thread title 🤫

As I recall in that era, all three of the dash gauges use the same port plug. You should be able to interchange gages and get the same readings no matter their location or where they are plugged. That will eliminate a connection issue, but I can comfortably predict that the multi gauge itself is bad.

👍 All the more impressive year for her given she got bu in what appears to be just a handful of rounds all year. That’s not at all to suggest that she was not always giving it her absolute best behind another brand, but no doubt there is a comfort level for anyone skiing behind their training boat. Personally, this change seems to make total sense for all involved.

What’s the source of that if other than Malibu’s statement? Best I’ve found is suggestion of 17 boats that might have some issues. I did see it reported that Tommy’s has defaulted on $115M. https://www.crainsgrandrapids.com/news/retail/bank-alleges-tommys-boats-defaulted-on-115m-in-loans-seeks-court-appointed-receiver/

I’d say only Ron Scarpa to Malibu is on par with this change.

https://www.usawaterski.org/rankings/view-scores_usa.asp?NSL=&sMemberID=100000047&EventSelected=S&pvar=ByMember In looking at her scores in the last year, other than Malibu Open and Regina Jaquess Open (at Lymanland), it sure seems like her Malibu-pulled opportunities were limited (in comparison to MC and SN events). And last year was even somewhat an anomaly as I seem to recall OW drew Malibu at nationals, hence (I seem to recall) she skied Malibu at the FL States and Southern Regionals.

I’d suggest looking on skit again to see if Skip Dunlap has a tumacs waterline cover pattern.

Loved it...especially the drone shots to compare with boat-cams. as for the next comparo...anyone else on syndicate team would be great! That said, preference here for JT or the Tower.

I've read the lawsuit. I'd say its going to be a slow boat sales season if Malibu terminated its dealership agreement with its largest dealer network, responsible for 33% of sales. Call me Warren Buffet.

Water skiing ski fjording?

https://nautique.com/article/dockside-chats-scot-ellis Either way, I don’t see a worlds. It would appear Brenda belongs for sure: https://www.usa-wwf.org/Hall-of-Fame/brenda-nichols-baldwin

I show Scot won Masters in 98…I can’t find a worlds though you’re right. Brenda Nichols

Scot Ellis?

@Cnewbert I didn’t say there’s not passionate equine hobbyists who spend plenty on their horses. Of course there is. But hobbyists showing $100,000 horses that are not expensing vet, board, meds, training, grooming, travel, etc. are few. I said a (significant part) of the equine world is used as a “tax haven”. I stand by that. And while eventing/showing/jumping can get pricey, that world doesn’t hold a candle to the thoroughbred industry. I can’t imagine a racing stable thats’s not expensing and depreciating their assets to serve as a tax mitigation strategy for their owners. Heck, I know that in Florida there is no sales tax on horses, no sales tax on boarding, “ag” exemptions make significantly-sized farms virtually property tax-free, and there are others before one even gets into accounting tricks. I agree that there’s a lot more people who spend a lot more money on horses (and related expenses) than the 400 or so annual buyers of $100,000 ski boats, but the comparison has nuance. I’m very familiar with last week’s Longines event. A relative jumped in the finals for a European country. In the good ol’ days of skiing (late 80s-90s), tour events routinely drew as many people as were at WEC last week.

A 2012 197 for $54,000 is lower than one would think?