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CORRECTION to my previous post........ I meant to say "downcourse" instead of "upcourse" in the following statements like this one...... Then the line is cut to 28off, that means he is skiing with a 47 foot rope! (and he is 6 ft closer to the boat than at 22off and further upcourse at turn in ) Sorry for any confusion! Here's the video of Regina's 3@41off world record. Freeze frame right when she initiates her turn in. This can be identified by the outward spray from her ski! Here's Rossi at Okee a few years back. Here's Todd Ristocelli Here's Chad from a few years back Here's Dave Miller at 39off in the Big Dawg National Finals. I've been using this gate since 2005. I brought this gate shot up on the different forums over 2 1/2 years ago, but almost everyone at that time had the feeling that "later was better" in an attempt to achieve more angle/width at the gates as the line shortens. This gate works at all line legnths and is very low load and efficient!

There are some major problems with the skier turning in for the gates when the nose of the boat is entering the gates and the skier is pulling out to the same width at every line length! Sure at every turn in,...the boat is in the EXACT SAME PLACE,...the skier is not!!!! If a skier is starting at 22off that means he is skiing with a 53 foot rope! Then the line is cut to 28off, that means he is skiing with a 47 foot rope! (and he is 6 ft closer to the boat than at 22off and further upcourse at turn in ) Then the line is cut to 32off, that means he is skiing with a 43 foot rope! (and he is 10feet closer to the boat than at 22off and further upcourse at turn in) Then the line is cut to 35off, that means he is skiing with a 40 foot rope! (and he is 13 feet closer to the boat than at 22off and further upcourse at turn in) Then the line is cut to 38off, that means he is skiing with a 37 foot rope! (and he is 16 feet closer to the boat than at 22off, and further upcourse at turn in) So even though the boat is in the EXACT SAME PLACE the skier IS NOT! At every line shortening the skier is turning in later and later and later,.....into more and more and more angle!!!! This is main problem with using the boat at the 55's as your turn in point!!! This is what @razorskier1 was doing!!!! INSANE!!!! Hope this helps!

@gregy Honestly,...I have never have looked at the 2,4,6, buoy line either. I have pullout point for my 2 hand gate which is always consistant (right 55 at the nose of the boat) and my pullout point for the 1 hand gate (left 55 is near the engine cover). I then have my turn in point (1 ball is just past the left gate buoy approx.).

Thanks for posting the pics @razorskier1. In these pics, most of these skiers already have their skis turning in slightly for their gates,...so there turn in intitiation points were well before when these photos were taken. If you notice were the water is first being diplaced outward away from the boat is a clue to where they started their initiation for their turn in for their gates.

Here are a few pullout points that will add more consistency to you skiing,...that I learned from Schnitz! Pullout points........ 1) stand just outside the whitewash/foam 2) pullout when the nose of the boat is touching the right hand gate buoy (slightly before or later) (Optional) quit pulling out when the 3 ball crosses over the right hand gate (or slightly later) 4) check the 2,4,6 buoy line for width (slightly wider, inline, or narrower) 5) intiate your turn in when the 1 ball is just before crossing over the left gate buoy (slightly earlier or later)

Hey @razorskier1, Great topic! I have some gate shot photos that I would like to post but I am having a hard time getting up. My "attach a file" button isn't working! Thanks!! Also,.. I think that the body position that you are achieving in the course is critical to making this gate shot really work well for ya! You may want to talk about that also! Oh by the way,...won't be too long now and you will be spending most of the day cutting a hole in the ice big enough for your boat, let alone for the course!!! You guys are ANIMALS in MN!!! lol

Thanks guys!!! I appreciate the feedback! I thought that these 2 articles were pretty good. http://waterskimag.com/features/2012/06/12/how-to-maximize-your-water-ski-stance/ Backward movement Moving the bindings back on a ski can yield more outbound speed after your transition off the second wake because the wider fore body of the ski doesn’t engage into the turn as easily or quite as early. The speed created here allows the ski to carry out to the apex more effectively, and actually, the tip stays down better when the ski carries more speed into and through the turn. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://waterskimag.com/features/2012/07/12/position-your-arms-for-effortless-water-skiing/ Change your edge, not your position As you transition from your cutting edge to your turning edge, it’s crucial to keep a low anchor point close to your body. Instead of rocking forward through the edge change in an attempt to “prepare” for the turn, keep your handle close to your hips as you swing into your turning edge. It may feel like your weight is farther back as you near the turn, but by keeping your handle position consistent, you will continue to travel on a longer outward path and arrive at the buoy with more width.

I ski with Harald and that video was taken back in the perfect pass days. In this video,..Harald had his ski fully turned in for the gates when the 1 ball was splitting the gate buoys which is very very early. With ZO, Harald was forced to widen up his gate pullout a bit and turn in a bit later also for the gates than what you see in this video. Although his gate shot has changed a bit, ....his skiing style has not. This type of skiing is what Schnitz calls "nothingness skiing" because the skier does nothing,...no excessive leaning, dropping a hip, pulling. You won't see any excessive counter rotation because that would tend to turn the ski into to much angle. Actually Harald is attempting NOT TO LEAN as he finishes the turn. As Harald finishes his turn all he attempts to do is to point his ski at the cross course target (approx. 20 feet before the next buoy), engage his core, Lock in, and go!!! This style of skiing is very core intensive and takes great handle control. Because Harald is skiing a very narrow/late/slower path cross course, he is forced to stay on the handle longer with both hands to maintain good outbound direction, width, and speed. Harald's arms are "locked" in a straight position, and his elbows are "locked to his vest". -abs flexed/core engaged (as though someone is going to punch him in the stomach) -chest out (whenever Harald gets late he never leans, he only sticks his chest out more) -stand tall -arms straight (locked and flexed straight) -elbows locked to the vest -hips up -handle in the pocket -comfortable lean Harald's the Austrian Slalom record holder 1.5 @ 41off at 36mph / 2.5 @ 41off at 34mph ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's a video of Harald's first set on the 66" MR ski. He was skiing on the 68" inch prior. The 66" MR is almost identical to the 9900sl goode reg., but the MR has inserts. The 68" MR is almost identical to the Fischer (with inserts). The MR skis are made in Austria by Harald's brother Manfred (M) and fellow skier Robert ®. Robert has won the world cable slalom on the MR. For more info on the MR ski call Harald at 561-346-9877 Here's me attempting to ski Harald's gate shot, having the ski fully turned in when the 1 ball spitting the gate buoys which is very difficult to do. My usual gates were a bit wider, 1 ball is just past the left gate buoy. (Harald's driving)

@ShaneH wrote – “The N1 has gotten faster and faster feeling as my ski partner has moved his bindings back” @Horton wrote – “ Try going back to stock on the fin and move the bindings back.” @Scotchipman wrote – “I'm open for suggestions on how to increase the speed but not sure I can go back any farther on my boots” How can moving the bindings back and displacing more weight on the back of the ski make the ski go faster? Thanks!

Well said @Rich!!! @Rich wrote "All the video posted in this thread show one very common thing. All the skiers are stacked/ hips up. The skiers that ski back still keep the core completly engaged/ hips up though they ski a bit more on the back foot than the front foot. So it appears that the important thing is engaement of the core/hips up / Handle close to the body / resist the boat off the 2nd wake as it tries to rotate your body towards it (counter rotation) Start the turn at the white water and finish at the white water. Be as efficient as possible doing all of this." Since your center of mass/center of gravity is located just below your belly button,...these skiers are also leading well with their center of mass/center of gravity by having their... - hips up/hips connected to the handle/handle in the pocket/low anchor point/power triangle -elbows to the vest -chest out -arms Totally straight -shoulders back -standing tall With this group of skiers,..the further up and forward that they have their hips, the greater that their upper body can lean away. This hips forward and upper body lean away is what is causing their weight to be naturally displaced slightly more on their back foot. They ARE NOT PRESSING DOWN ON THEIR BACK FOOT. @Rich you are very accurate in saying that this style of skiing is very core intensive and it is a must to keep your core engaged almost every second in the course. Of course, all styles of skiing would benefit from having a strong core. By having the core engaged out to the turn buoy this style of skiing uses centrifugal force to swing the skier in and out of the turn quickly. Watch Aprils video again how she reaches high and behind the pylon coming into her offside 1,3,5 and slightly more forward on her 2,4,6, and how she utilizes the centrifugal forces to swing her through her turns quickly and smoothly. She is not counter rotating much either.

I don't think that @Tup style looks anything like Win Decrees, although Win is a great skier (and a super nice guy!). That would be like suggesting that Chris Parrish should ski like Terry Winter. Here's a Beautiful Gal that rides further back on her ski also! (skiing starts at 1:46 in the video) Here's another skier who skis the "stay back style" also............. And who could forget this classic Rossi video......(what's he doing on his pullout???...... Here's April......does she ever use the front of her ski?!?!?).....Watch her offside reach!!!..... :-)

I think that OB is just jealous bc you ski better than he does!!! :-) Here's Harald who just got eigth in the big dawg finals under the lights. Some skiers just ride the tail more than others.

@rich wrote -"be cautious of reaching forward, His problem is that he is not stacked with his COM/hips over the front foot. If he reaches forward without correcting this his COM/hips, his COM/hips will stay back as his upper body moves forward. " Please review JC video again and take a good look at his 1,3,5 turn. In my opinion, he has great alignment coming into the turn and he is leading with his Center of Mass/Center of Gravity (which is just below his belly button). If JC reaches slightly more forward of the pylon on his onside turn DOES NOT MEAN that that JC is going to break forward at the waist and lead with his shoulders and trail with his hips through the turn. JC has a stay back style of skiing, and thats his own unique style. I know skiers running 39off with this type of stay back style. My style is very similiar. Different skiing style utilize different techniques to make them work. It is not 1 technique fits all skiing styles or 1 reach fits all. As a matter of fact,... I actually reach high and behind the pylon on my offside turn, and my offside turn is awesome!!! I don't follow your "reach down technique" on the offside turn that you spoke in your post. Because I ski a very similiar "stay back style", for me reaching slightly forward of the pylon on my onside turn helps me to shift my weight slightly more forward and center over the ski allowing it to carve a nice turn. Cheers!!!! ;-)

JC, correction,...I stated the you were "countering well on your Onside" which is incorrect. My bad. If you were in fact countering well, there would be no need for you to reach more forward in order to shift your weight forward and centered over the ski! @shaneH is right on the money!!!

JC, Amazing skiing! Way to go! Your skiing reminds me of Jeff Rodgers! Running a few buoys at 38off in a drysuit and in cold water to boot is much harder than it looks. Put you in 80 degree water without a drysuit and I bet you will be running 38off easily! You are doing so many great things in your skiing! -your weakside pull is awesome! You are in a strong leveraged position with your hips up, handle on your hip, great lean away from the boat, elbows to the vest. Very few skiers have as strong of a weakside pull as this! -your strongside pull is awesome too! -you have great extension on your reach -your countering well on your onside turn -your intensity level is a 10+. You don't leave anything on the dock! Things to work on! -You need to counter rotate on your offside turn 2,4,6. Currently their is no CR. Because of this, your are rolling your left shoulder over and snatching the handle instead of CR and skiing the outside hip (left hip) to the handle. That's one thing that caused the not so perfect turn at 2 ball @ 38off. Because of your great strength, you are still able to get into a fairly strong pulling position by the wakes on your longer line lengths but 38off is not working for you! -you seem to be overturning 1,3,5 a bit and this is causing you to break forward at the waist a bit out of 1,3,5. This is causing you to be in a "less than perfect" pulling position when you hit the wakes. Maybe the ski is riding higher on the water because of the cold water, the tail might be sliding a bit. If you could finish that Onside 1,3,5 turn smoothly with just a little less cross course angle,.. that would really help you to stay ahead in the pass. -Because you are falling slightly back on your tail on your onside turn 1,3,5,......try reaching initially more forward instead of directly to the pylon. I have found that on the Onside turn that reaching more forward will help to pull your weight slightly more forward and centered on the ski. If you reach too far back on your onside turn, this could cause you to fall slightly backward and on the tail. Because of body mechanics, you can reach directly to the pylon (or behind it) on your offside turn, and still be balanced without falling backward. Here are some pics of Jeff R. and Todd Ristocelli past the second wake. I wouldn't be too concerned about being too far back on the ski here!

http://www.usawaterski.org/pages/Instructional%20Articles/Slalom/SlalomTransitionZone.pdf Stay focused on being away from the handle with the upper body. Do not engage your biceps, but rather feel the trailing hip come up. The ski will release off the second wake, and allow it to land on the other edge. Essentially it feels like your upper body stays in the same leaned away position and your lower body swings underneath you. It is vital to know that any upper body work here, like pulling of your biceps only moves the upper body in, not the ski out. This is the point where the majority of skiers lose the most ground in the course.Focus on feeling your upper body slowly come back up to vertical. Do not try to make this happen, just feel it happen. When you feel that your upper body is vertical, let go with your outside hand. This lets the ski continue on its most outbound trajectory. When you let go with the outside hand, focus on leaving the handle where it is and skiing away http://www.usawaterski.org/pages/Instructional%20Articles/Slalom/ProperEdgeChange.pdf As the body crosses the midpoint of the wakes the boat begins to pull the shoulders and the upper body back in toward the wakes. The mistake the skier makes is allowing this to happen too easily. It’s easy to spot… the lead shoulder begins to lift back in toward the boat, and the elbows get stretched away from the core of the body. This pulls your body out of a leveraged position, pulls the ski toward being flat, causes the path of the ski to head straight down the lake (parallel to the boat’s path) and causes the skier to finish the turn farther down course than is desired.

@ToddL I'd add...The more you lean against both arms with your elbows touching your vest, the more your hips will naturally come up relative to your shoulders. That's Perfect!!! :-) While "locked into" that leveraged body position, try a "whipping drill" similiar to what Seth is teaching here. I wouldn't worry about the turns so much. I would concentrate on getting "locked into" that leveraged position at each wake crossing. A strong leveraged position cross course will give you sufficient space and time to make a good turn!

Nice skiing. You are not too far off from having a big breakthrough!!! Keep up the good skiing! Like shaneH mentioned,..get "stacked behind" the boat first. http://waterskimag.com/features/2012/07/26/how-to-water-ski-a-balanced-slalom-approach/ One way to do this is to........ -stand tall (the more you bend your knees the more your hips trail and you'll lead w/ shoulders) -arms straight (notice in your video that are arms are sligtly bent at times) -elbows to the vest/vest to the elbows (notice that your arms are seperated from your vest) -hips up/forward (your hips are trailing slightly) -handle on the hip/handle in the pocket (low anchor point) -chest out -shoulders back If you just focused on standing taller and locking the elbows to the vest with straight arms, that should help you tremendously.

You are probably "leading with the shoulders" and "trailing with the hips", with the arms seperated from your body. This means that you are taking most of the pull through your shoulders (high anchor point) and are "not connected" through your core. "Stand tall" and "Lock the Elbows" to the vest with "straight arms",..to maintain a low anchor point!!! This will help you to get your shoulders back and will help you to bring your hips forward/up to "connect the handle to your hip". http://waterskimag.com/how-to/2001/06/14/smooth-between-the-wakes/ http://waterskimag.com/features/2010/04/19/how-to-maximize-cross-course-direction/ http://waterskimag.com/features/2012/07/12/position-your-arms-for-effortless-water-skiing/

Great discription Shaneh! Here's some valuable articles by "homeboy Terry W. and the Malibu Runner up, Rossi! http://www.usawaterski.org/pages/Instructional%20Articles/Slalom/SlalomTransitionZone.pdf http://www.usawaterski.org/pages/Instructional%20Articles/Slalom/ProperEdgeChange.pdf

"Hip-to-Elbows Connection", or you could say "Vest to the Elbows" or "Elbows to the Vest"! http://waterskimag.com/features/2010/04/19/how-to-maximize-cross-course-direction/