@UWSkier I have not! Maybe I need to try. If anything, the entire system has taught me patience. I’ve really learned to slow down my finish at the turn because if I finish to fast, I’m left with nothing but slack.This was my first full 35 with stargazer Zbox and I’m really proud of how patient I was out of 1 and 2 ball. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CfX1HnWqPqW/?igshid=ZDU1ZDhlY2E=