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@BlueSki I assumed you met Long/shallow. I ralnthat set up for a while . Close to what @VONMAN is running, but I have gotten much better results short/ shallow boots back 28.25 ,but I am currently running short / deep boots @28.5 matching my PB most of the time. If I run boots for work like you high risk blowing the tail.

@BlueSki , Good to hear. What set up did you end up liking the best?

I like it on last year's model which is the standard flex c-75. I now have a c-75 record and I like the flat wing on it better. Also running the fin way further back on record than the other one.

@Skoot1123 I second that on #'s above. @9400 Thanks for posting that set up! It's close to what worked well on the 2020 c-75 except fin much further back on this one. Current 34 MPH 2021 med. Record flex c-75.LFF mod. Reflex fb RTP . 6.665, 2.66, .910, 8° flat, 28.5", 11" spread heel to heel. Even with the recommended settings posted on the Denali website ,This ski accelerates noticeably quicker then the standard flex, but these numbers are giving me a whole new look at the course. Never been this early or as high up on the boat with less effort. Only a few sets in so far, very impressive.

@A_B I am one of those mere mortal skiers at -32/34mph but a huge student of the Grand unified theory of slalom the more efficientlyI applying it the more I find the timing of the boat comes into play the more I see how important zero off or at least Z-box come into play with timing and the boat picking me up off the ball is. I recently skied with pp 9.2 star gazer with no z- box using the same timing technique and found myself waiting on the boat to pick me up off the Bouy , making it a much more difficult pass.

@skinut I had a c 65 ,67" . It was a pretty good ski. I was coming from a mapple 6.0 & a NRG . I never matched my PB from mapple. That being said Cale Burdick won first place at a men's open tournament against the great Nate. Now the c75, there is a world record on it. I'm currently on a medium. And have surpassed my PB by 4 buoys. This Ski is simply amazing. On-side turns are automatic. Offside turns ,as long as I come into the Bouy tall the thing turns itself. This is by far the best ski ever produced. Easy to ride, promotes being centered naturally. I let a friend of mine try it that skis well below the recommended 34 mph & he had a PB too.

@Live2ski . I think what they were getting at , was to continue skiing on the handle path all the way into the turn by keeping the handle tight to your body. The other day I saw a fellow skier with this handle way out in front as he entered the turn which made him late and narrow. What he had done is initiate the turn with the handle. By keeping the handle tight to our body all the way into the turn the reach should come late giving the boat enough time to start to accelerate away from us helping to keep a tight line and backside the buoy.

@ghutch agree with everything you said. @AdamCord has helped me with both technique and set up. @adamhcaldwell helped me with technique. They ,with all that they do, have made my skiing better than it's ever been by far. People are making comments about my improvements both from the boat and on shore. Plus the buoy count has gone way up. Denali & GUT rocks!

@Ed_Johnson I can't speak for @ghutch but I've been working on this type of thing lately and it has become a game changer. I think what he's talking about is a connection to the handle. In other words the only time the handle comes away from your body is in the reach. Which means in the cut the handles down low witht arms straight and in the edge change or as you take angle out of the ski the handle comes up which means the arms are bent. That has made a big difference for me. If you watch Chris parish am skis slowmo you will see what I think. It would be nice if Caldwell or Cord had a slo-mo video. You could see it there easily too.

@adamhcaldwell Just shows how great the cg fin is . I know I like mine. You just keep getting better!

@Than_Bogan Good call! I'll bet you're right. that's some of the cleanest extreme shortline skiing I've seen him do.nobody else runs 41s as clean as that. If that's the case I'll take one.

@Horton , I couldn't help myself. I did get a rolling panda 1 time.

@Horton I think you just earned a ?.

Having raced Indy cars and stock cars for 10 years some road racing mostly oval & be 20 years of snowmobile ice oval racing. There doesn't seem to be a lot of similarities between slalom skiing and racing although there are some. in snowmobiling you do have the ability to change the COM which will affect pitch and roll. so you are moving the center of quicom aroundt a bit which in water skiing is not very helpful at all. This has been the biggest hindrance in my slalom skiing that I have had to overcome. Snowmobile to go fast in a straight line com must be back as far as possible to get as much weight off of the skis & when you approached the turn the trick is to break as late as possible they call it threshold braking meaning you jump on the brakes pretty hard and release them slowly but at the same time com has to shift forward as much as possible to add weight to the front skis for traction grip and as far away from the machine as you can to counterbalance the weight. Very effective for fast lap times. But in relation to slalom skiing I have found out the hard way that pitch is much more subtle. Obviously we don't want to taill ride in our acceleration we want com centered on the ski so we have is much ski in the water as possible. From centerline to the Bowie this is the place where I went wrong for many years. I thought pitching my com forward or jumping on the front of the ski was a good way to slow it down for the turn. Why have I been wrong. Centerline out to the buoy if I stand up tall while yawing the ski it will catch more naturally what are you doing now with the balls of my feet and ankles so I'm not really slowing down I'm actually at the fastest point of the cut .rope is spinning around the pylon as fast as it's going to. As I reach the highest point on the boat reaching the hand out and rolling the skiing in to finish the turn is what slows the speed down as the boat starts to pull away and travel faster than the skier. As far as the vision goes it's at that point we're at five spot the boat it doesn't feel like my hair is on fire. So the speed feels relative. I liked when@adamcaldwell mentioned the speed of the rope traveling around the pylon actually stops as it changes directions when we reach to finish the turn. Very interesting. So applying racing techniques can somewhat hinder slalom skiing especially when we consider pitch.

@adamhcaldwell , there it is. If I pause the video just passed the second white wash, it shows how very connected you still are to the handle in the swing portion of the past and how much the arms have to be bent in order to do that at that point. I do realize the whole pass is about connection in swing. First portion being building angle through the swing & and the second portion taking angle out of the swing. I have become much better at the first portion and in no focusing on the second portion from center out to the ball. The videos are very helpful.thanks

@AdamCord those picture frames really tell the tale of what's taking place.from the knee down to the ski It is clear the taller elevation and flatterer ski. It would be nice if you could extend those frames especially just past the second white wash. I'm interested to see where the handle goes. I thought I had her heard Caldwell talkin a long time ago about bringing the handle up some yet still staying connected to the body.it's something I've been working on lately that seems to have made a huge difference giving me more space. A friend of mine describes it as a tug ,not sure I would call it that but I definitely raise the handle from down Lowe's two around my belly button which does end up with my arms bent quite a bit. That's the frame I'm looking for. In your videos it looks like it happens momentarily and pretty much every top-level skier. thanks

@adamhcaldwell skied yesterday at the setting above. was sometimes getting folded coming off the ball. Today too much tip presure I went a little deeper as you suggested. 6.718, 2.475 , 1.080 7° s-wing 28.50" FB reflex/ RTP c-75 med ROCKS! This setup is awesome. Thanks!

@CReckard &@Stefan if you're running a double boot the rear boot will need to be removed. End of the tape measure goes just beneath the black Block at the back of the front boot, all the tape to the end of the tail of the ski. I was riding this when@ cord replied. @adamhcaldwell nice drone video .it really shows how early you start taking the angle out of the ski and pointing down course paralleling the boat.

@adamhcaldwell LFF 5'7" , 178# med ski size . Thanks for the tip . Should be able to start shortening rope again next weekend.

Just went out on my medium with 6.720, 2.465, 1.080 7° s-wing 28.50" reflex FB / RTP . These numbers work very well didn't miss a pass. I have a bruised front knee bone and today is the first time I've been able to bend my leg all week so I stayed @ 34/-22 but I'm sure I will run my 32 no problem. These numbers are very close to what I was running on my beta 7.5 except for boot location. And I thought about trying these numbers back in September. Until Cord helped me with some extremely short extremely deep and extremely far forward numbers that I loved & PBed with I think these numbers are at least as good as those if not better but because my knee is the way it is I think I better let it rest another week.

Ok , set a new PB in September water temp 80° . Went out today water temp 54° only two boys shy of my PB, So YES the c-75 still works in the winter. Southern California. Merry Christmas!

May have to get Marcus Brown to give it a try in deep snow behind his snowmobile. I bet it would carve at least as good as that other ski he was on.

@rico Me too ! This thing they call c-75 is such a joy to ski on. I can't wait for Saturday!

@chris55 I would recommend you review the GUT gate very closely. Notice when the load comes on strong is not until your already at the beginning of the whitewash. And by the end of the white wash the ski is transitioning between skier and boat and starting to go flat on its way to the turning edge. Exiting a turn is not that different. No need to be in a hurry to get hooked up to the handle. But let the ski continue to come around and get hooked back up to the handle. This would be a good time to stand up tall and make sure you're not squatting. By the time you're hooked up to the handle you should be almost at the whitewash. So the cutting edge pull is not for very long as you can see by reviewing any top-level skier video. Also it was mentioned earlier in this thread to review Chris Parrish. If you review the slo-mo video of him on the AM ski notice by the second wake he never lets the handle get away from him, he actually pulled the handle up close to his body and remains on the handle all the way out until he reaches. At the top of the thread @AdamCord video you can see all the proper technique supplied in the same way notice how early cord is able to take the ski out of angle and start the swing process.

@adamhcaldwell fair enough I agree who and what to listen to. I can start by recognizing who and what I have listened to for all of these years has produced limited results. That may give the freedom to look at a different approach such as what you and cord are teaching. Yes it's radically different. So is the ski you guys build it looks like nothing else out there. The fin looks like nothing else out there. And the philosophy sounds like nothing else out there. But the more my head gets wrapped around it the less I have to think about well I'm on the course. The results are you end up with good body position doing all the right movements at the right time because you have time. I like the one you mentioned previously about someone noticing how well you were counter rotated and that was the furthest thing from your mind. I recently have heard the same types of thingsand it's not something I was trying to do it was simply a happening. Still haven't had the opportunity to be coached by yourself or @AdamCord yet , but it is clear to everyone that has seen me ski lately that looks like a different skier back there. So I guess I'm being coached from afar through articles and posts an emails from you Adams. Thanks for transforming my skiing this far. Nothing else has worked like this.