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Toronto area. Ski a few days a week at Mcclintocks and free ski at the cottage on Dickey lake in the East Kawarthas.

If you're skiing at 32mph definitely get the lyric. The freeride series is designed to ski in the mid 20s, and get super loose when skiing faster than that.

I typically have a brew or two before a set, and usually ski better than when I dont

@TCC71 definitely get the 69. The 67 maxes out around 190 if a I recall. I’m 165ish and am at the bottom end of the bracket for the 67.

I'm a 10.5 and find the standard totally fine. I don't think I'd be able to get as good a fit tightening down the XL. Also to note, the radar dry entry neoprene is ridiculously easy to get into on the dock.

I made the switch from a 18 lithium vapor to a 19 senate pro (same shape) have been super happy. Bought the vapor 3 seasons ago when I started skiing the course. I really liked it, but found I needed to be absolutely 100% there mentally and physically to have a good set. The Senate felt way smoother, and equally as fast (vapor has an extra turbo level that I felt on occassion). In half a season since switching to the Senate pro, my PB has gone from running 15off @ 34mpg to 3 @ 28off -34mph. Another guy I ski with, felt very similar and grabbed a 2020 senate pro over a vapor last season too!

Midway through last season I switched from a 18 66" vapor to a 19 67 Senate Pro, and have found the Senate to turn just as quickly as the vapour. I just started skiing 34mph 15off and found the Senate to be a lot more consistent with both skis at stock settings. If you can get a good deal on a Senate Pro I'd highly recommend it.

@AndersonSkiTeam I know the gentlemen @bergs is talking about. He went back to back between the 19 and the 20 and ended up skiing better, and purchasing the 20

Give it to me baby

@jimmyjamesbrown Might be a 1 off with a different badge. I’ve only seen it with the black, but they are hand made in the states with relatively low numbers compared to the other senate models, wouldn’t be surprised if they tried a different decal on a specific unit.

Hey! @jenksski I just made the switch from a 19 lithium vapor to a 19 Senate pro!! I currently ski 15off @ 34mph and have just started working my way into 22off. I made the switch because the extra width on the senate pro felt so much more supportive in and out of the turns than the vapor. I felt the vapor definitely turned harder and was faster, but only when I got up to 34mph. The senate was miles better when slowed down. Also, I only felt better on the vapor on days were I was at my absolute best. On an average day, I would ski up to the same level on the senate. Just my 2 cents.

Can't agree more. I've often thought that people should look to buy skis based on the water conditions. In my opinion, if you ski in good conditions most of the time. There is no downside to freeskiing a performance ski. They are fast and turn great, which are the two things you want most when trying to make big spray to show off for the ladies!

If you just open water ski, big spray is probably high on the priority list. HOs clean edge on the freeride absolutely limits your potential for big amplitude. Still a fun ski at 26mph, gets sketchy above 30mph.

Give McClintocks in Cambridge a call. They will be looking to clear out their 2019 inventory soon. You might be able to grab a demo senate alloy at a good price, and only 35 mins from Toronto

Give the senate pro a try. You aren’t giving up anything on the vapor as far as response and stiffness, but the surface area will help you out big time at 32mph

I usually score my PB by the three A’s. Angle. Amplitude. Awesomeness when it comes to spray.

I have a free ride, can definitely agree with the ease of starting and riding. Although, I found mine to not turn nearly as hard as I liked. Still, have, use and love this ski for days where things are totally blown out or Im in the mood for boosting it off the wake of a vdrive or I/O.

Looking at selling my 2018 Lithium Vapor in mint condition. Set up by Jason McClintock. Looking for $1000 CAD but am open to reasonable offers. Paid $1600 for it last August.

Just like how ski manufacturers have warning/liability releases printed on the graphics on skis, the disclaimer that is on required every comp vest, releases liquid force from having legal issue. Only thing I could see as an issue is the merchandising at the retail store, where the retailer could potentially get dinged.

Over The Front IPA

@horton that is correct. $100 bet on Freddy at +200 pays $200 Inversely at -200 you'd have to bet $200 to get a $100 return

@ash, if the extra cash for the vector isn't an issue, definitely get the vector. If had both, and the vector will give you way way more support and control over the ski

I havent been out on a union yet, but I think it would give you a little more top end capability compared to the katana. It will also, be forgiving and have enough support for you to learn on!

Was expecting a totally different radar vapor vs handle thread here. Glad to know you didn't pop a handle through a ski!

@LoopSki I'm the same weight as you, and have been loving my 66" 18 lithium vapor, I'm currently skiing 34mph 15 off most of the time.