Baller jhughes Posted October 14, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2023 The ski looked super level and stable too, congrats Chris. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted October 14, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2023 Very exciting for sure! Thanks for the kind words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JAS Posted October 14, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2023 I finished season on 24 Senate Probuild. Don’t think it will be long until a similar thread of its own gets started. A really nice ski. Great job Radar! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted October 14, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 14, 2023 Really excited to try the new 24 Vapor. This just confirms it! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SteveB Posted October 15, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 15, 2023 Wife and I are at worlds and got to see Joel’s run in person! It was amazing to watch him and the crowd went wild when he ran it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted October 16, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 16, 2023 Congrats to Stephen Neveu for his podium finish at the Worlds! He rode his 2024 Vapor to his first worlds medal. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 16, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted October 16, 2023 @Chris Rossi I went back and rewatched Big Steve. His 39 was just stupid and then his start at 41 was so good. 2 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chris Rossi Posted October 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2023 Two totally different build and style skiers with great results. Yes they are pros but nice to see them peak performing on the ski. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ali Posted October 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 17, 2023 Great to know I can run 10.25m on this ski, will get right to it 🤪 Great skiing Joel and great design work from Radar and @Chris Rossi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rawly Posted October 18, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2023 Hey @brooksand @Chris Rossi , when are you guys coming up with a Radar gas card giveaway ? This ski is costing me money. 🤣 Between listening to Spraymakers and riding that ‘24 Vapor I’ve gone from 4 sets to 10 sets or more a week. And to make it even worse , some of those sets are 8 or 10 passes. My formerly aching back thanks you. Crazy how you guys designed a top level ski that can do everything it does yet be easy on the body. Thank you so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MickeyThompson Posted October 18, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2023 @rawly what were skiing on before the 24 Vapor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rawly Posted October 18, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 18, 2023 2018 Vapor. I’ve been waiting for the next big jump , and this one is it. I haven’t been skiing a lot in the past 5 years because of my destroyed lower back. I haven’t ran my hardest pass ( -35 @34 ) in those 5 years or even attempted it. The new ski has got me around 3 ball so far. I can ride my dirt bike for multiple days in a row no problem but skiing was just too tough on it. Now all I do is ski and my dirt bike is not liking it. Don’t want to sound corny , but this ski has got me psyched on skiing again. I look forward to the next set like I did when I was younger and had a good back. Just recently it was ski 2 sets then have problems just walking , no skiing for a week then repeat. I continued skiing because I loved it but the pain was getting to be too much and the desire was fading. Now the fire has once again been stoked. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Mastercrafter Posted October 18, 2023 Baller_ Share Posted October 18, 2023 @Chris Rossi I can't expect you to share this info but if you happen to feel so inclined... I'm curious as to how much of the Vapor design is yours from the start, versus taking ideas and feedback from your team skiers and turning it into a ski that actually works for both them and the masses (us). In other words, do you work 1-2 years on a design, perfect it on your own, and then give it to the team to ride, or are other skiers integral in the testing and development along the way? In no way am I trying to discredit the "Chris Rossi Design". I simply find it interesting that it works so well for so many different skiers and styles. Can't be an easy feat to design a ski that does that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MDB1056 Posted October 19, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 19, 2023 To my knowledge ALL the manufacturers rely heavily on input from their team skiers in the development and evolution of their skis. The “design team” at any shop will have a lead and I’m confident Radar is no exception. The very recent BOS post of the TWBC podcast Tony did with Joel Howley is a great example, as Joel notes he’d receive packages of 3-4,skis at a time to test with tweaks he and others had suggested - he’d send feedback, more skis arrive, etc The HO design team folks all take input from their skiers as several other interviews and statements have also stated. Read prior discussions between Dave and Regina on Goode design changes, D3 gets lots of feedback. Kudos to Radar and Chris Rossi galore for their 2024 design . Dream teams always have great leaders 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gavski Posted October 19, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 19, 2023 Rossi has been involved from the start..Every radar ski has his dna all over it….the process doesn’t stop when a ski is produced…it is a constant process of tweaking and improvement…there is no rest.. looks like the ‘24 is a step change..whether it’s the shape or the materials or both - it looks awesome.. well done Rossi - well done team radar..well done Joel!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Popular Post Chris Rossi Posted October 20, 2023 Baller Popular Post Share Posted October 20, 2023 @rawly its testimonials like yours that make the whole process worth while. Enjoy the ride. @gavski really appreciate the support. @Mastercrafter Input and design ideas come from all of our team skiers and testers, consumers, dealers, and from my personal experiences on the ski. I then sift though all the input and decide on the best design changes that I believe will translate well for our consumers as well as our pros. The consumer experience on the ski is very important to us at Radar. Winning pro events is amazing and something we are passionate about but we also spend as much effort to make sure that our consumer base will be able to peak perform on the product. I can say without a doubt that I am as excited to hear of your personal best on a radar product as I am to hear that Joel Poland ran 41 on the ski at the World Championships. As @MDB1056 mentioned, we have a dream team at Radar with a lot of years of experience and knowledge that I am fortunate enough to work with and none of what I do would be possible without them. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller coach3 Posted October 22, 2023 Baller Share Posted October 22, 2023 @Hortonany video of running 38? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 22, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted October 22, 2023 @coach3 unfortunately I only ran a handful of 38s all year & I did not capture one on the Radar. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Slalom.Steve Posted November 17, 2023 Baller_ Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 10/4/2023 at 12:14 PM, Chris Rossi said: When I have skiers try the new 24 Vapor, I have them take a set at the factory short/deep settings and then have them ski a second set with the long/shallow settings. @Chris Rossi Question regarding this: I got my '24 Vapor but not before the Midwest season came to an end😭. So my first set on the '24 will (likely) also be my first set in over 6 months come next spring. I've got the fin set at short/deep to start as recommended, but I'm worried I'll be rusty and not really tuned into the ski anyways (I'm 32-34mph, 15-28off) and thus not able to get good feedback on trying different settings. And I imagine I'll ski better on my 2nd day even if I were to keep the same settings, so if I do a day at S/D then a day at L/S and improve, is it the setting or is it just getting comfortable on the water again? All that said, my previous skis were a '16 Vapor and a '22 Vapor, which only have one stock setting specs, and I only ever ran those at stock. So I've never in my life made a big (or any) fin change. Will it be obvious enough which I prefer even with it being the first rides of the year? (yes I am planning for my ski rides 6 months in advance lol) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Skier ColeGiacopuzzi Posted November 17, 2023 Elite Skier Share Posted November 17, 2023 @Slalom.Steve That's a definitely a different scenario than just switching skis mid summer. I would ride the ski for a while at short/deep maybe 10 sets and once you feel a bit more comfortable make the move and try long/shallow. That way you have more of a baseline. Your biggest obstacle is more getting back into the groove of skiing. 1 Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Slalom.Steve Posted November 22, 2023 Baller_ Share Posted November 22, 2023 @ColeGiacopuzzi - sounds good. or should I star with long/shallow, if that seems to be the more preferred option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Skier ColeGiacopuzzi Posted November 22, 2023 Elite Skier Share Posted November 22, 2023 @Slalom.Steve I would start at Short/deep first then try Long/shallow. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted November 22, 2023 Baller Share Posted November 22, 2023 Not that my opinion is worth anything but I agree with @ColeGiacopuzzi. I’ve always gravitated toward the L/S settings on other Vapors but the “24 felt better with S/D to start. Now that I am comfortable with what the ski wants, I feel like I can go back and mess around with the L/S 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Skier ColeGiacopuzzi Posted November 22, 2023 Elite Skier Share Posted November 22, 2023 @Slalom.Steve @aupatking I ran short deep on the 24 for more than a year and then went to long/shallow to try a different route and felt like I could work with the boat better. The ski works extremely well with both settings there isn’t a wrong answer, I’ve ran short/deep on almost every one of our skis. it’s just what feels more comfortable to you. We’re recommending people to start at short/deep when they get the ski and then like @Chris Rossi said give long/ shallow a try soon after to feel the difference. 1 Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 6, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted December 6, 2023 @ColeGiacopuzzi is confusing me Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kimbymon Posted December 13, 2023 Baller Share Posted December 13, 2023 On 9/28/2023 at 2:22 PM, Skiphreak said: @Horton @ColeGiacopuzzi do you see any issue using the new Vapor at slower speeds? Just learning the course and I’m really slow - 28-30. I’ve always figured that’s what the Senate is for (which is what I’m on), but this review has me thinking. My opener is 26mph running up into 32mph. I skied on @Mastercrafter’s 24’ vapor this fall on the short/deep settings and had no issues skiing 26mph - 5@30mph . I’ve been on a 2020 vapor since fall of 2020 at those slow speeds and never had an issue. Can’t wait to get on the 24’ vapor I just received. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 13, 2023 Author Administrators Share Posted December 13, 2023 @Kimbymon I have had very good success putting skiers at your level on to Vapors. 1 Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kimbymon Posted December 13, 2023 Baller Share Posted December 13, 2023 @Horton I’ve even run many a 24mph pass on the vapor. Those who know me know how much I whine and complain about my opening speed, but I know with 100% certainty I will run it. So I will continue to run that as my opener until I get farther into 32mph. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted December 13, 2023 Baller Share Posted December 13, 2023 27 minutes ago, Kimbymon said: . Those who know me know how much I whine and complain about my opening speed, but I know with 100% certainty I will run it. So I will continue to run that as my opener until I get farther into 32mph. This last season my boy was running run into 36 mph; it took him 5 passes to get there (all @28 off). There's nothing wrong with running passes and nothing worse than a MOP. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kimbymon Posted December 13, 2023 Baller Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 minute ago, jjackkrash said: This last season my boy was running run into 36 mph; it took him 5 passes to get there (all @28 off). There's nothing wrong with running passes and nothing worse than a MOP. I completely agree. As long as I run my opener, everything else is gravy. It’s that score at 2 or 3 balls, that just kills you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller KRoundy Posted July 26 Baller Share Posted July 26 I know I’m late to the party but I took my first open-water set on a 2024 Vapor Pro Build this morning. Wow!!! I’m super impressed with how this thing turns and just goes. Looking forward to exploring the settings a bit and enjoying slaying some buoys the rest of this summer!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted July 28 Baller Share Posted July 28 Ya it’s a quick one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller KRoundy Posted July 29 Baller Share Posted July 29 Curious how many here might be riding on the big one, the 69-1/2" ski and what settings you are using? I'm taking my first few sessions to ride and and see how the stock setup feels. Coming off a 2020 69" Senate Lithium so I've changed shape, length, build... kept my Vapor boots mounted on a sequence plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted August 1 Baller Share Posted August 1 Looking @Hortons Stated settings for Long/Shallow and Short Deep Settings: Short/Deep (29 ¾ - 2.505 – 6.850 - .758 - 9) Long/Shallow ( 30 1/8 - 2.480 - 6.945 - .750 ) Are these Hortons as they do not seem to correlate with settings posted on the Radar Skis Site, asking because I am delivery of a 2025 Vapor today. I want to know where to start, I have read Short/Deep and then try Long Shallow to see what suits me best, but would like to start with stock numbers. Thankyou in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 1 Baller Share Posted August 1 @Stevie Boy if you go to the Radar website they have a guide for setting up different skis. The guide indicates the 2024 Radar Vapor stock settings for short/deep and long/shallow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted August 1 Baller Share Posted August 1 @Skoot1123Thankyou I was aware, I was asking about the settings stated at the beginning of this thread,which differ from the Radar Website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted August 2 Baller Share Posted August 2 @ColeGiacopuzzi Hi just got my 2025 Vapor Pro, so fairly front foot dominant because of knee issues on rear leg, running short/deep Radar Factory settings (Hortons numbers did not work for me) but still find the end of the turn to be just a little bit too aggressive, any ideas on binding or fin adjustment to calm it down a little. Thankyou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Skier ColeGiacopuzzi Posted August 2 Elite Skier Share Posted August 2 @Stevie Boy I'll PM you. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 14 Baller Share Posted August 14 Adding my thoughts on this ski from this summer - as I have skied on the 2024 Radar Vapor all year. First started using the ski with the short/deep settings while at SkiFluid. Immediately felt comfortable on the ski, no surprises. When I got back to my home lake I skied for a bit on the S/D settings then moved on to the Long/Shallow settings. For me the ski maintained better direction and had a more carving turn using the L/S fin settings. My goals for the summer have really been to “reinvent” my skiing - cranking turns and feeling like a bucking Bronco are not easy on the body. I want to ski smoother and link turns together without feeling rushed - essentially I want to be FLOW-Y. After a ski session with KLP and an adjustment to my boot placement and fin depth I ran the smoothest 32’off @32mph I have ever run. This ski can crank turns (when needed), hold an edge without blowing the tail, and be “fast”. It flat out delivers. I know the 2025 ski is out now, but you will not be disappointed with a 2024! With this being said here are the settings I am using: @ColeGiacopuzzi, @Chris Rossi, @TFIN Double Vapor boots spaced 1” apart DFT: 0.754 Depth: 2.475 Length: 6.955 Bf: 30.25 Wing: 9 Any feedback on these settings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted August 14 Baller Share Posted August 14 I am curious about the boot spacing. I had a neighbor suggest more spacing than crammed together but I have not tried it yet. I am running vapor boot with RTP. What is the advantage of an inch of space between the feet instead of crammed together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 14 Baller Share Posted August 14 @jjackkrash - for me it is all about balance on the ski. I was turning my offside and always pulling my arms in high/not allowing the ski to finish the turn - KLP noticed this too, he asked me some questions about what I was feeling and trying to do in the pre-turn and turn. Based on that he moved my front boot forward and adjusted my fin depth and then I proceeded to turn my offside with ease and grace. I can attest to what @Chris Rossisaid regarding the boot placement as your macro adjustment and the fin being the micro adjustment. I moved my front binding a few times after my lesson with Kris to see what it did and I went back to his placement - it works very well for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted August 14 Baller Share Posted August 14 1 minute ago, Skoot1123 said: @jjackkrash - for me it is all about balance on the ski. I was turning my offside and always pulling my arms in high/not allowing the ski to finish the turn - KLP noticed this too, he asked me some questions about what I was feeling and trying to do in the pre-turn and turn. Based on that he moved my front boot forward and adjusted my fin depth and then I proceeded to turn my offside with ease and grace. I can attest to what @Chris Rossisaid regarding the boot placement as your macro adjustment and the fin being the micro adjustment. I moved my front binding a few times after my lesson with Kris to see what it did and I went back to his placement - it works very well for me. So, you moved just the front boot? I am on a sequence plate and the bindings move as a unit. I am wondering if there is a benefit to more spacing between the front and back foot. I agree on boots as the macro adjustment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 14 Baller Share Posted August 14 I don’t use a sequence plate but we have one. You’ll be able to move the rear binding back on it. One inch might be the max spread you can get with that setup - depending on your boot manufacturer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted August 14 Baller Share Posted August 14 Maybe we are talking over each other. I am trying to figure out if KLP moved your front foot to add spacing between the back and not just to move the bindings forward. Is the spread/spacing between front and back what you perceived as the benefit? Or do you always run a 1 inch spread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 14 Baller Share Posted August 14 @jjackkrashKris moved my front boot forward two holes to increase the spacing/spread between my feet. The increased spacing/spread is what helped me the most. The increased spread allows me to better feel the ski underneath me during my offside (1,3,5) turn. The positive feedback (on my foot) during the turn allows me to stay patient. When I do this I won’t rush the turn and try to get too much angle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gmut Posted August 14 Baller Share Posted August 14 @Skoot1123 are you on a 67" Vapor Pro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 15 Baller Share Posted August 15 I just watched a video of KLP talking boot set up and spacing. Seems he is a big advocate of getting close to 12 inch ankle to ankle spacing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted August 15 Baller Share Posted August 15 @gmut I am on a 66” Vapor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gmut Posted August 15 Baller Share Posted August 15 @Skoot1123what is the DFT of your rear binding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 15 Baller Share Posted August 15 7 hours ago, Skoot1123 said: @gmut I am on a 66” Vapor. Dang… Bf 30.25 on a 66? What were you at previous to that? That’s a large movement . Was there a feeling or adjustment of feeling too far forward ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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