2014 CC 200 engine upgrade project

[RichardDoane]

One of the Hilltop boats has gotten to the over 4000 hours mark, so it's getting a new powertrain.  The 5.7 is getting upgraded to a 6.0.  It's a pretty straight forward project.  Today we took out the old, and tomorrow we'll get to installing the new.

[RichardDoane]

[RichardDoane]

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before the new engine goes in, we'll replace the steering and shifting cables, and run a new fuel line, and clean up the bilge area.  It'll also be a good time to replace the shaft log packing.

 

[motoxr]

That is really impressive! Looks terrific!

[auskier]

We may need to be doing this ourselves at some stage in the next few years. Does the 6lt fit under the same engine hatch? Or is it only the 6.2 that required the bigger lid? 

[markn]

@RichardDoanecurious if the boat is still on the original transmission.  For 4000 hours, the boat still looks great.  Good luck with the project.

[jpwhit]

When you change engines to a different HP, do you have to do anything relative to the Zero Off calibration?

[Bruce_Butterfield]

@RichardDoanewas the 4000 hr engine showing any signs of getting worn out?  Low power, oil consumption, low compression, etc? Or are you replacing proactively and because you really want the 6l?  

Curious if 4k hrs is a reasonable rule of thumb for when a well maintained engine is getting close to end of life.

@jpwhit ZO has a screen for you to input the engine and it "adjusts" behind the scenes.

Edited March 2, 2023 by Bruce_Butterfield

[DW]

@RichardDoane - nice upgrade.  It would be great info for the community to do a compression and leak down test simply to provide a data point on 4K hours on an SBC.  Oil consumption and maybe an oil sample test (Blackstone Labs).

You got your money’s worth from that lump:-)  I would love to toss it on a dyno and see how much the power changed.

Great looking boat.

[Rednucleus]

2023 is going to be great! Our Faithful Tow Friend gets an upgrade, I got a new hip, and even a new ski!

BTW what octane does the 6.0 require?

And while you're at it, see if you can get a heated passenger seat in there too!

And please check the heater; not much heat the past few winters.

AND - THANKS FOR ALL YOU DO TO KEEP OUT HT TOWS HAPPY!!

[AdamCord]

This is the boat I ski behind regularly, sooooo looking forward to this new engine. Thanks @RichardDoane for getting this done when the weather sucks anyway 😀

 

@Bruce_Butterfield This boat has had more and more issues over the past two years as the hours have really racked up. Last year Richard had to put new exhaust manifolds on, replace the injectors, and many other items that have caused us to be without the boat at Hilltop. We have a lot of members so there are days in the summer where this boat barely stops from dawn to dusk...

 

I do have one question for @Jody_Seal or anyone else who may know....We currently run an Acme 422 on this boat with the 5.7L, should we be looking at a different prop with the 6.0L?

[Bruce_Butterfield]

@AdamCord I have a 200 with 6.0l and the standard prop is the 668.  Basically same as 422 with 0.100" more cup 

@Rednucleus the 409 Hp 6L runs on standard 87 octane.  There were a small number of 450Hp 6L that did require higher octane.

Edited March 2, 2023 by Bruce_Butterfield

[RichardDoane]

[RichardDoane]

@Gloersen  new dripless is on the way

@DW  that 5.7 runs well and has fresh cats and injectors, it's for sale as soon as possible, anyone interested send me a PM, or call Burien Auto Repair, Inc.  206 242 9558

@auskier  I've been told that the engine hatch will fit, and will find out late this afternoon if not

@markn religiously change your trans fluid, and your transmission will last over 4000 hours

@jpwhit  the boat has RevS single puck version, and will be good to go

@Bruce_Butterfield  preventative maintenance, and like @AdamCord said, this is the time of year to do it

@AdamCord  yes, we should play with some prop options, you decide and let me know #'s,  I'll pop the original loose, and we'll see what's best result

 

[Jody_Seal]

668 Acme propeller will work fine.

 

if you want a prop that pulls like a freight train, I can help you there too!!

 

 

[AdamCord]

@Jody_Seal We currently have the 422, is that a bad choice for this new engine?

[Jody_Seal]

@AdamCordthe 422 will work. 

but the 668 will work mo better...

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@AdamCordWe had the exact same year and motor "5.7" and the 422 prop on it was insanely good! It was better than the 668 by far, the 668 felt like it yanked you down the lake, but with a 6.0L I'd take @Jody_Sealword or just try both and see. 

Edited March 2, 2023 by ColeGiacopuzzi

[Andre]

How much is a serie 80 transmission would cost to go with the new engine?

Love the 6 liters!

[RichardDoane]

New steering cable went in nicely, after removing the old heater hoses. But I neglected to order a fresh pivot and clamp, so we’ll install those when they arrive next week. 

[RichardDoane]

There was a bunch of corrosion and quite a bit of wiggle in the socket pocket. 

[Rednucleus]

That looks like a good place to install a zerk

[Mastercrafter]

@RichardDoane—- re: trans fluid changes, how often is “religiously”— 300 hours?

Edited March 3, 2023 by Mastercrafter

[RichardDoane]

@Mastercrafter  we use a fluid vacuum unit, every oil & filter change, so typically about every 100 hours

[RichardDoane]

Bilge is clean, new steering cable is in, fresh heater hoses and fuel lines are in, so time to put the new assembly in place. 

[RichardDoane]

Engine mounts are now roughly adjusted. We’ll adapt the exhaust hose and connect the rest of the stuff Monday. 

[Rednucleus]

@RichardDoaneok if I post this over on Planet Nautique - they would enjoy your good work!

[MDB1056]

@RichardDoane the end is near. Nice work. Look forward to seeing it finished. Jobs like that are fun, and the test runs are always exciting. 

[Silent_Seven]

Is the boat still on the original prop shaft?  How much wear does it show?

[RichardDoane]

@Silent_Seven  I believe that it is still the original shaft, the strut bushings do have some wear, and we will replace them eventually, and possibly the shaft depending on how it measures.  we want to get the boat up and running asap, so the strut project will be next.  if it does need a shaft, the Elbert's stuff from Oregon is excellent.  Dr. Jack's Brendella received an Elbert's kit if you want to look back to that discussion.

 

[RichardDoane]

@Rednucleus  while hooking up the raw water strainer, I figured out why the heater was so weak. Only a small hole in the heater return “T”, and it had a booger restricting it in addition. My tapered reamer made a nice improvement to water flow. 

[MDB1056]

Should flow much better. Nice work!

[DW]

Don’t go too big, the small hole is to create some back pressure to keep the heater core full and to slow the flow rate.  Too fast a flow rate reduces heat transfer.  

[RichardDoane]

the steering cable was an easy replacement since the engine was out, and removing the old red heater hoses made it even easier.  the housing pivot arrived and installed nicely, I smeared the ball and socket  well with copper anti-seize, so we'll adjust it to center the steering wheel once we get to the lake and water test everything

[RichardDoane]

[KRoundy]

Nice work! She will be back on the water in no time at all. The days are getting longer and hinting at warmth!

[RichardDoane]

Heater and shower were re-connected this afternoon, fresh hoses and fittings for both, as well as new raw water supply hose from the through hull inlet to strainer and on to the oil cooler. 

[RichardDoane]

[RichardDoane]

Shower control valve got moved up to the top for easy booger removal when necessary. It’s amazing how much better it flows when you clean the screens in the hot/ cold inlets. 

Edited March 10, 2023 by RichardDoane
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[RichardDoane]

The dripless shaft seal upgrade is waiting for the arrival of new bushings for the strut housing. We’ll pull the rudder and shaft, remove the strut to replace the bushings, and re-install with the updated OJ kit once the engine break in is complete and it’s back to the shop for service. 

[KRoundy]

As a Nautique 200 owner - I’m curious where those shower lines go, as in where is the shower head located? I have thought about adding a shower for a couple of years but have found it hard to find the kit and also just don’t know where the shower head and hose would go. Is your HT boat one hidden in one of the side trunks? 

[RichardDoane]

The final piece to the puzzle is a wiring harness repair tomorrow for the Deutsch connectors for boat to engine connections. 

[RichardDoane]

Shower comes out of the port side storage compartment since that’s the  starting dock side for filling the cooler. Shower gets fused power from the starter and the pressure switch on the pump regulates it. Battery power is always disconnected when not in use, so no need for an on/off switch. 

[RichardDoane]

We can install a hot water shower kit into your boat, all it takes is $$$$ @KRoundy

[RichardDoane]

@Andre  I'm not sure of the cost of just a transmission, we ordered the engine complete w/ trans from PCM.  Doug Moss is my "go-to" guy for getting powertrains, and he'll know pricing if you're interested in something.  Send me a PM and I'll get you his contact info.  Doug's been a great help with all the silly questions I've had related to these projects, and is very knowledgeable. 

[Mastercrafter]

@RichardDoane where are you pulling your hot and cold water from for the shower? Is the 12v pump post-mixer?

 

Kind of assuming both hot and cold feeds are from sources after the raw water pump. Are you pulling hot from block, head, or exhaust?

 

Thanks for the help!

[RichardDoane]

@Mastercrafter  I took cold supply from a tee that I cut into the hose from after the raw water pump as it crosses under the front of the engine headed for the inlet for the engine water pump.  The hot supply comes off the port exhaust manifold rear end, by removing the plug and using a brass bushing reducer for the 3/8 hose barb.  The 12v pump is located in the left rear corner of the boat, outboard of the fuel tank, with the spray hose living in that left side pocket.  I'll post better photos Monday.

Edited March 11, 2023 by RichardDoane
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[wski1831]

It’s my understanding the reason they wit Doug the showered was to keep people off the swim board with the boat idling 

[wski1831]

Apparently I need to proofread better. Manufactures don’t want exposure to CO. 

[RichardDoane]

@Mastercrafter