Baller adamhcaldwell Posted January 19 Baller Share Posted January 19 Ballers! Just a quick update! We are still deep in the process of evolving a new design for 2023/2024, I do have a just a few remaining skis left on the rack and with just 7 graphic sheets left to build with. If you have any ski buddies looking for a killer deal before the next design is released, this is it! Our workshop is very small (under 1000sqft!) and I need to free up the space ASAP! Use code 2022 c85 Closeout at checkout - denaliskis.com for 60% off a ski order! The c85 has been HUGELY successful not only for the intense short-line skiers at 34 and 36mph, but we have also seen tremendous success for both men and women at speeds as low as 28mph and long line. In addition, we have seen many 200+ 28-38off tournament skiers dropping to 32mph for the first time LOVE the extra width and support provided the c85s bigger & stiffer platform underfoot. Feel free to PM me with any questions and more info. Thanks! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 19 Administrators Share Posted January 19 @adamhcaldwelldo you have an XXL or XXXL? Quote Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalogo ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller adamhcaldwell Posted January 19 Author Baller Share Posted January 19 (edited) Unfortunately @horton the C85 stops at XL size. However, I can say that the development on the new Denali c-buoyslayer9000^2 is all happening on what theoretically would be an XXL size. And the XXXL is definitely next on the list. My biggest fear for 2023 is offending someone when suggesting a size (XX or XXXL size). That being said, I'm currently entertaining some new sizing nomenclature....(Plus now that HO has adopted the terminology, its not as cool anymore😂.) Any creative ideas will be considered....but currently entertaining the following Ski Size Nomenclature Traditional Denali 2023+ Denali 71 XXL Terra 70 XXL Giga 69 XL Mega 68 Large Kilo 67 Medium Milli 66 Small Micro 65 X-Small Nano 64 XXS Pico Edited January 19 by adamhcaldwell 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rico Posted January 19 Baller Share Posted January 19 (edited) @Horton You can have mine when I order the new one Edited January 19 by rico 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 20 Administrators Share Posted January 20 @adamhcaldwellwhy wouldn't you just reset all the nomenclature with the C10,000 so guys that normally ride a 67 still ride a medium even if it is 8 in' wide? ( rename current XXXL to L or whatever) Quote Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalogo ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Vernon Reeve Posted January 20 Baller Share Posted January 20 I would suggest keeping it traditional and making the sizes the same as the length (i.e L64, L65, . . . L71). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller AdamCord Posted January 20 Baller Share Posted January 20 @ricowe have the XXXXXL for you 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted January 20 Baller Share Posted January 20 Ouch. That must sting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members LLUSA Posted January 20 Members Share Posted January 20 XXL-Lyman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lpskier Posted January 20 Baller Share Posted January 20 @Vernon ReeveAll Denali C-85s are 65”. They vary in width. Hence small, medium, etc. Quote Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SlalomSteve Posted January 20 Members Share Posted January 20 @lpskier but there is some benefit to using terminology that more immediately "means something" to the average skier. So even though a "Denali 68" is still 65 inches, when someone see's "Denali 68", they would know (at least roughly) what size/weight that corresponds to in other manufacturers. Though then certainly the danger of confusion regarding the actually length comes back into play lol. What about: 6.4 6.5 6.6 etc? - so the medium would be size 6.7, large would be size 6.8, etc. Kinda weird, sure, but trying to think outside the box for ways to express the unique "Denali sizes" that are more easily relatable to traditional sizes, while still being clear it's not the same thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted January 20 Baller Share Posted January 20 @SlalomSteve I get what you’re saying but, I really think that this sizing is fine, when you consider that they provide a size chart on their website. Maybe they just include the L=68 on the chart? I just think someone ordering a 68 receives a 65, then thinks they got the wrong ski shipped to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 20 Administrators Share Posted January 20 seriously guys the old length paradigm is just marketing. if you called a ski "the 14" and said that guys weighing between 175 and 195 ride "the 14" and then I ride "the 14". most key companies called it a 67" but length is really irrelevant. Quote Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalogo ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted January 20 Baller Share Posted January 20 Short Tall Grande Venti Trenta Trenta double pump if you weigh 300# and @adamhcaldwellsays you need a XXL and you're offended, well .... 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller AdamCord Posted January 20 Baller Share Posted January 20 (edited) FYI this is a 39@36 pass from this fall riding a C95 prototype that would be equivalent to an XXL size c85. It is WIDE. There is secret sauce in there that is letting us run a much wider ski and get the benefits that come with that without the negatives. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CjJnDeYg7Ml/?igshid=YWJhMjlhZTc= Edited January 20 by AdamCord 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted January 20 Baller Share Posted January 20 So, "most key companies called it a 67" but length is really irrelevant." Is @Horton finally admitting it is surface area?😂 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 20 Administrators Share Posted January 20 @thager I finally figured it out. You are Chipman! Quote Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalogo ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller adamhcaldwell Posted January 20 Author Baller Share Posted January 20 (edited) Believe it or not, the size is irrelevant in terms of width and length and surface area. The industry has trained people that a 170lber should ride a 66” ski. Whatever that means. I think it is a limiting belief for both ski designers AND skiers. What is relevant when it comes to sizing skis is the performance characteristics built into the ski. The things you cant necessarily see with the naked eye. For example, its possible to build a 66” ski with a terrible flex and torsion pattern with imbalanced surface area, lift distribution and induced drag characteristics and it could feel like riding at 70” and wont turn or drop in at the ball. OR, it can build it where it fees like a 60” ski that sinks, barely gets any width and folds you in half from being too soft, too stuck and too slow for opposite reasons. Sure, traditionally with the norm of carbon copy skis and designs, a lot of skis are extremely similar. And because of that we are custom to think that a 66/67” is the middle of the road and appropriate size. In reality, all that matters is a skier is riding what will produce the most buoys for them at their given level and speed/ability, and physical composition. I’ve come to find that skier height is almost as big of a factor in sizing as weight. For example, I have a 210lb 5’6” guy on a medium at 34, and a then another 190lber at 6’3 on an XL - Same skill level, but vastly different builds. So then you must also consider body composition and where someone's COM lands and how they utilize it when they ski. At the end of the day, what matters is we have a way to convey differences in range of products offered and how that will align that with your overall performance and ability riding it. So far I like @AdamCordCords recommendation of calling the XXXL the "Krispy Kreme"... Edited January 20 by adamhcaldwell 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 20 Administrators Share Posted January 20 Chipman reading the above post from his bunker Quote Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalogo ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dchristman Posted January 20 Baller Share Posted January 20 I love my My 166 sq inch Zepto. Adam gave me 60% off a Pico. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted January 20 Baller Share Posted January 20 2 guys selling their 2022 on SIA for more money then the new ones at 60% off... Good luck to them getting a sale.🥺 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jedgell Posted January 21 Baller Share Posted January 21 Ordered mine today! Now I have to wait for the loooong MT winter to end… 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller VONMAN Posted January 21 Baller Share Posted January 21 Well I was wondering when this would happen. But knowing the Denali history it will be a better design. The C-85 has been the smoothest, fastest, best turning and easiest ski I've ever owned. I let four skiers demo ride my C-85, 2 were beginners and 2 were 32 off skiers. They all came away very impressed how user friendly it was. One my students was so impressed with it he showed up one day with his own used C-85 he bought off Ski-it-again. His skiing has improved dramatically in part because of its neutral/user friendly feel. So as long as the Two Adams keep designing and building them, I will be buying and skiing on them. My student Will, with his small and my large C-85. 6 Quote Ernie Schlager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted January 21 Baller Share Posted January 21 Excited to see the next generation. The C85 set a very high bar for the Denali c-buoyslayer9000^2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Rednucleus Posted January 21 Baller Share Posted January 21 Just placed my order; I'm always up for a good deal - now the hard part - had hip replaced 3 weeks ago so can't try it out till June. I will be keeping @AdamCordbusy at HT this season!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Sethro Posted January 22 Baller Share Posted January 22 I’ve always been hesitant because I was afraid it’d be too small. Even though I was assured at 6’5” and 235ish lately that the XL C85 would be big enough. I’d sure like to try one of those XXXL if that’s what you decide to call it. I have a couple of neoprene products with that size designation so I’m not scared. 😜 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller hacker Posted January 22 Baller Share Posted January 22 Wow! Mediums are sold out!😭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodb Posted January 22 Baller Share Posted January 22 Trying to order a medium looks like they aren’t available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller travtitle Posted January 22 Baller Share Posted January 22 Got one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller adamhcaldwell Posted January 23 Author Baller Share Posted January 23 This guy gets it! View this post on Instagram A post shared by ComedySesh (@comedy_sesh) 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bruce_Butterfield Posted January 23 Baller Share Posted January 23 I'll take a MegaMagaTerra Krispy Creme and Cord's 4 Tequilla shot fin settings😁 Quote If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller adamhcaldwell Posted January 23 Author Baller Share Posted January 23 @Bruce_Butterfield You might like to play with the Pandora fin on that setup also... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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