22 vapor binding and Vapor Carbitex binding

[alex38]

Anybody running a front 22 (hardshell style) with an older regular one in rear? Ive been using these since they were RS-1s all the way to the carbitex's and never looked back.

I would like to try a front 22 with a rear Carbitex, is there any reason this would not work? TY

[Broussard]

@alex38Should be just fine. I know an ex-pro who is rocking that exact setup.

[Killer]

Yep.  The new radar rear boot was a bit too much for me so I just used my worn in Carbitex rear with the new front boot.   Going to move to release on the front and trying a HO venom rear next season.

[ghutch]

I use a similar setup, but a heavily modified Reflex front and an older Radar rear. Probably 4-5 yrs old. Tried going to a rear toe plate but no luck. Just strap the old Radar back on and keep going. Seems to work well.

[RAWSki]

Starting skiing with the 22 vapor front and kept a Vector boa rear boot and really like the set up. The connection with the Vapor in front feels great----- @Hutcheven "coached" me to a tournament PB in October after just a month in the boot.

[aupatking]

I’m just ready for some warm weather. I got mine setup just in time for one more round of freezing weather

question: where are you guys measuring from to get you fb DFT? On the Radar plate, the bottom of the heel of the boot is dead even with the back edge of the plate. Is that where Radar suggests we measure from? I haven’t seen any guidance put out on it

 

Edited February 12, 2023 by aupatking

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@aupatkingWe're measuring from the base of the vapor boot where it touches the plate.

Edited February 13, 2023 by ColeGiacopuzzi

[skialex]

@aupatking

[aupatking]

Thank you @skialex there was no strap in my box. I’ll text Brooks tomorrow 

[aupatking]

I told Brooks I would tell you guys. After my first set, my advice is “BUY THE DAMN VAPOR BOOT”. It’s better than what you are using. That statement may not be fact but I’ve used enough other boots to say it’s about an 87% certainty that I’m right. 😎. 

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

Stoked to hear you're all about it! @aupatkingI tell everyone the same thing when someone asks about it; it was the first boot that got me to switch off of Reflex and I was on Reflex for 10 years. It is extremely good!! 

[Drew_Wright_OBXtoFl]

Agree just buy it. 

[aupatking]

@ColeGiacopuzziI’m in the same camp as you. I’ve been on Reflex boots since breaking my ankle in 2014. I tried Edge/Syndicate which I liked, but went back to Reflex. The new Vapor boot connects you to your ski like nothing I’ve ever used. Seriously, 1 set in and I know it’s the best boot made

[Slalom.Steve]

I am definitely buying one for next season!

[alex38]

Hi @ColeGiacopuzzi ,

just got my 23 Vapor binding (it’s crazy) and curious if I should use same measurement as the carbitex/old vapor. I measured 29.25 and it seemed to pull the boot back. Is that right? Or is there a different measurement for new binding, ty.

Edited February 23, 2023 by alex38

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@alex38 I would use the same hole on the plate you were using with your old vapor boot so you have it on the same spot on the ski.  

[Hucklefin]

On 2/11/2023 at 9:43 PM, aupatking said:

I’m just ready for some warm weather. I got mine setup just in time for one more round of freezing weather

question: where are you guys measuring from to get you fb DFT? On the Radar plate, the bottom of the heel of the boot is dead even with the back edge of the plate. Is that where Radar suggests we measure from? I haven’t seen any guidance put out on it

 

What is the front release setup here, is it just the standard reflex or has radar not quite released their version to normal people yet?

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@HucklefinThe only thing radar in that setup is the plate. 

[aupatking]

@Hucklefin the plate is Radar for odd sizes. For even sizes, like Reflex does, I believe you can use either the Radar or Reflex plate. The release and toe loop are both Reflex. Reflex seems to own the Silvretta 500 (750, 840, and now the 9-something) design/rights. That may not be exactly correct but Edge/Syndicate is using them too.

[Ajskier]

How do the Carbitex bindings fit, do they run large or true to size?  I am between sizes, I wear a 7.5 shoe.  I always size down for snow ski boots, but wasn't sure what to do in this case, since the smallest is a 6-7.  Thank you!

 

[thager]

Size up. Radar Carbitex  boots tend to run small. I am a sz 10.5 and a 2022 Carbitex sz 11 is perfect. 

[alex38]

Most of my shoes are 9.5, been using size 10 of every iteration of radar binding since RS-1’s.

[Ajskier]

Thank you both for the information!

[mmosley899]

I switched to the New style Vapor boot last year and still love it...

[Skoot1123]

Hey folks - I now have the opportunity to get these bindings.  How does the fit and size compare to previous versions of the vapor boot?  For comparison sake I run a size 11 in the older style boot with the insert. Should I stay the same?  Thanks!

[KRoundy]

Yes, stay the same. If you were an 11 stick with that size. Remember when they are brand-new the liner will be as thick as it will ever be. Unlike others here I have found them true to size, but I have a fairly narrow / low-volume foot. 

[jjackkrash]

At Wiley's they use a toe cover over a sock with your foot in when they heat mold them to your foot.  It works great and gives your toes some wiggle room while the rest of your foot is seated perfectly.  The liner is made to form to your foot so don't skip that step.  It may seem too snug without the heat molding.    

Edited June 12, 2023 by jjackkrash

[UWSkier]

23 minutes ago, jjackkrash said:

At Wiley's they use a toe cover over a sock with your foot in when they heat mold them to your foot.  It works great and gives your toes some wiggle room while the rest of your foot is seated perfectly.  The liner is made to form to your foot so don't skip that step.  It may seem too snug without the heat molding.    

My experience as well. Sacrifice a pair of tube socks. Cut them off at the ball of your foot. Put BOTH toe sections on your foot. Then heat mold. I wear size 14 shoes and every Vapor boot I've had didn't fit well prior to molding. 

Edited June 12, 2023 by UWSkier

[kc]

I have both the Carbitex and prior model Vapors. Still use the previous models for testing skis. I wear size 12 shoes, and size 12 in all the Vapors I’ve owned. I’ve never heat molded my liners, but am happy with the fit. 

[ALPJr]

Size 10 shoes and on the third pair of size 10 Vapor boots. Papa Smurf suggested skiing in them a few times and they will break in and form around your feet and ankles. 

[vtmecheng]

@ColeGiacopuzzi, the intuition strap that @skialex shows earlier in this thread, is it supposed to go over the boot like that or around the liner inside of the boot? There were no instructions so I have not been using the strap.

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@vtmecheng Its used just like @skialex is using it; its to keep the bungee in place so it doesn't fly around and so it stays tight and doesn't loosen. 

[skialex]

@vtmecheng strap is not supposed to go around the cuff if the boot is bolted to the plate. Only when used with a released mechanism. 

[vtmecheng]

Thank you @ColeGiacopuzzi.  @skialex, I am using with the MOB so should be good. I asked because I like the new Vapor boot a lot but my super low instep foot sometimes slides forward if I let my ski get out in front of me off the second wake (I am working hard to keep over the ski more on my off-side pull but it's a work in progress). When this happens, the slide is just enough that my big toe can sometimes hurt from hitting the front/inside of the toe cap. I'm considering either trying the strap or adding a strap that attaches either to the back screw or the two side screws. That would keep the strap over my instep and prevent loss in a fall. Not sure it will work as intended but worth a shot. At this point in our season I'll probably fiddle over the winter, water is already 60F and extended forecast shows air in the mid-50s for the next week+.

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

1 hour ago, skialex said:

@vtmecheng strap is not supposed to go around the cuff if the boot is bolted to the plate. Only when used with a released mechanism. 

Yes very important! thanks for adding that @skialex