Baller Keith_Menard Posted November 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2022 Was watching the highlights from the last tournament and they showed Whitney inside of 2, but S turning really hard for it, shortly after Dane said straight up he didn't get outside for his ball. At these lengths, how much of it is honestly thinking you did or may have gotten outside and how much is selling it, knowing you didn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted November 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2022 You know, I think that sometimes at those really short lines a skier may be unsure as to whether they were outside, or where the ski was, binding wise at the buoy. Then again, if you know that you're inside and "try to sell it", it's your integrity and if you can live with yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted November 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2022 The skiers know which fellow skiers have integrity and which ones don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Brokenstack Posted November 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2022 The s turn takes up the slack and keeps you from a big hit whether you make the ball or not doesn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted November 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2022 The S turn is necessary to turn back into the wake before the next set of boat guides. If you miss a buoy and just swing wide and up on the boat, you will eventually lose speed and can return to the wake without a big hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 8, 2022 Administrators Share Posted November 8, 2022 I hate that anyone would try to "sell it" but it happens. On the other hand, at 38 and 39 I have had times when I was not sure if I got around that last ball or not. This is especially true with the newer VERY soft balls.  Goode ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted November 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2022 Walley Buoys make knowing more difficult. I have hit a buoy in a tournament, but not enough to lose direction or balance. So, I kept skiing. I ran that pass. At the end of the lake, the boat driver asked me what I thought about that buoy. I honestly said, "I felt it but I don't know how narrow/late it was, so I kept skiing." The judges decided it was a good pass. There is totally a difference between selling a known inadequate performance and just skiing knowing that the performance may or may not have been enough. After all, it is the judge's responsibility to make that determination as they have a 3rd person vantage point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jcamp Posted November 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2022 This year at Regionals my daughter thought she was inside 4 ball, kept skiing around 5 ball just for the heck of it and because she had momentum, but then stood up at 5 and skied back to the wakes because she thought she was done. The judges scored her 5. I was pretty conflicted on what advice to give her but settled on "if it's close and you are not 100 percent sure, keep skiing. It's the judges' job to judge." She is still a relatively inexperienced tournament skier so I'm more worried about her just not knowing exactly what happened than her trying to game the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Than_Bogan Posted November 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2022 At the pro level, there is no value to "selling it," because every close call is video reviewed anyhow.The shorter the line, the less the skier can know for sure if they went outside, so they'll keep skiing if there's any chance they went outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Than_Bogan Posted November 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2022 But somewhat on this topic, I had an interesting moral dilemma a year or so ago in a Class C. At 12m, I wasn't sure if I made it outside 6. I swung the ski and didn't feel an impact, but that could be because I went completely inside OR completely outside the ball.2 judges gave me 6. But the boat judge called it 5. I know this judge well, and if she is calling 5 then it's because she had a clear view and it was 5.So: While I was skiing, I didn't know, but NOW I do. Should I voluntarily end my round rather than attempt 11.25? I still don't know for sure what I think is "right" in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Mastercrafter Posted November 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2022 @Than_Bogan - I say keep skiing until majority calls less than 6. In a C you're not stealing from anyone if you keep going. At some point, you and the boat judge are going to be sure you went around 6, but both towers will call 5 for some reason and you'll have to live with that. Like Jcamp said, is the judge's job to judge, and skier's job to ski. I was boat judge at a recent tournament and someone missed 4 ball but made the rest of the course. I called 3, she knew it was 3, but both towers called 6. She timidly asked if her round was over and our reply was "It's your lucky day, both towers called 6, majority wins, have fun."I don't think it's much of a moral issue at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted November 9, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted November 9, 2022 @Mastercrafter, I believe I was the boat driver for that particular instance. And, if I recall correctly, the skier in question was a first time tournament participant. She had already skied a previous round with a similar or better score than she eventually achieved in that round. So, no harm, no foul. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lakeaustinskier Posted November 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 9, 2022 I guess I don't quite understand the problem. Usually when my pass "ends" I'm at the limit of my skiing ability (my hair is on fire). In other words my mental state might not be 100% .No different from judging a trick pass. The judges make a determination and we all move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ghutch Posted November 11, 2022 Baller Share Posted November 11, 2022 I had a similar situation at a C tournament year before last. I pulled late and ended up inside of 6 ball @ 35. When I sat down I said "Wrong time to pull up short on 6". The boat judge said both towers called 6 so it was a good pass. I replied "No. I know I missed 6." We went back and forth for a second and he replied "Well its going down as 6 you might as well cut to 38". I did and when I got around 3 ball I realized he forgot to cut the rope to 38, so I just gave them a smile and a wave and pulled over to the bank and took a 6 no continuation. Tough sometimes but thats what the judges are there for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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