Administrators Horton Posted May 2, 2022 Administrators Share Posted May 2, 2022 Skiers, the webcast, the officiating, whatever. What caught your attention? What do you think was interesting? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller TonyLightfoot Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Here's some thoughts from a few of the skiers that were interviewed after the award presentations - the latest TWBC Podcast Episode: https://open.spotify.com/episode/4GjZ0xBdfNRSqJKIYFUpqW?si=PkFPVfN7Q4OopW4cizn8CQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 The follow cam on the drone was awesome, though I would suggest that it just follow the boat rather than the skier. I love the vantage point but the back and forth motion was a bit much to track on my big screen TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mylemsky Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Thibaut on a Monte Carlo…no more Connelly? Looked great. Dane on a T factor, still awesome to watch. Regina is jacked. Awesome job by TWBC. Benny’s green syndicate looks sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller slow Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Nate and Regina on top of Slalom for a decade. How long will it continue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dacon62 Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Everything is well done! So appreciate that we can have this level of coverage. Always enjoy it. Thanks to ALL involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dave2ball Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 How about the video quality and the shots through either the drone or water water cams. Any review was done quickly with what seemed the correct result with all the camera angles available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 8 straight swiss titles. Not much more dominant than that. She's back and as good as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cooper_Trelawney Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Freddie skies great, so did Will. It wasn't a cake walk for Smith. Whitney running 39 and tying Regina for a runoff was fantastic. Missed seeing Manon, Jamie Bull and Adam Cord. Charlie Ross skis and interviews like a seasoned pro. Did the ropes create any drama? Didn't seem so. Jakob Bagne can ski! Great webcast! I enjoyed commentaries from Kiwi and Rini. Tony was solid as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 As usual, so thankful to have a webcast and of such quality! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jordan Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 1) the quality of the webcast keeps improving. 2) the number of really really good young skiers is truly impressive 3) Regina's run in this event is astounding 4) Nate is a robot. He almost always can get 1 more buoy than the "current leader" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MitchellM Posted May 2, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 2, 2022 Great broadcast. Need a new drone pilot. Nobody wants to see drone footage of you trying to follow a skier at those speeds. Just stay straight down the boat path. Some viewers in my home needed to look away during those segments! I'm not sure about the buoy cam. It looked like Whitney had to swerve to avoid that unexpected obstacle on her last run. I enjoyed the round when they had Jodi Fisher up on the broadcast table. Great commentary and insight. Perhaps they could have more former champions join them for segments in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller KRoundy Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 I think 2022 is going to be amazing for the Pro Tour. Loved the webcast and the coverage. It is so exciting to put this type of world-class coverage up on my TV and watch it live. Thank you all the sponsors and TWBC! Great job. And remember that this is just a warm-up first-of-season type of event. Things only get better from here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Lars Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Loved seeing Jodi Fisher on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Interjon Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Webcast was excellent. Good looking Nautique tow boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted May 2, 2022 Gold Member Share Posted May 2, 2022 Really good officiating. They reviewed where needed and got it right quickly. Regina and Nate are absolute marvels, but it'll be a little more fun as a spectator if some folks truly close the gap on them. I wonder if maybe Jamie Bull can be The One. She's a lot younger! On the men's side? I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see it. Yes, there are several who can beat Nate, but he's still gonna be a big favorite every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jhughes Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 I also caught Dane on the T-Factor. He was using rubber boots in college but I thought for the past few years he was on a hardshell. Cool to see that as a T-Factor fan and user. As usual, great coverage. We watched it all day. Whitney right back into 41 after Worlds, fantastic, great mental game. Regina's 39 was really smooth, less tip rise. Freddie's skiing stood out as really really good and smooth. Jakob's skiing, awesome. Really curious as to the actual pronunciation of his name. Tony always said YAAH-cob, everyone else said JAY-cob. One thing I really noticed on every single skier was a straight line from their torso through to their knees. Zero hip bend unless they were in major trouble out of a turn, only then would you see a little crush. Really collectively the good alignment as well as a very consistent and reasonable "lean" was extremely obvious among all of them, maybe moreso than ever. Good reminder for this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 I think I saw some of the tournament pulled by a 200. The Ski Nautique pulled the rest. If that is correct, I'm curious as to why that was done and whether the skiers had a preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 How experienced, confident and mature Regina is, by chosing a runoff instead of risking 2nd place trying to turn 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Broussard Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 @dbutcher I am 99.8% positive the entire event was pulled by the Ski Nautique. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted May 2, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 2, 2022 The lake seemed to have more rollers than I remember from watching previous events. Either that, or they were running the wait timer really short (at least the rounds before finals) to try to fit it all into one day. Agree on the camera panning on the drone. A bit too much visual chaos to be able to focus on it. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted May 2, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 2, 2022 noticed lack of spectators on shore.. noticed judging performed in a efficient manor. as well as accurate calls. noticed drone coverage pretty cool. noticed how clear and well defined the production was. casting from a phone to a hi def TV the picture was very good. noticed I did not see any porta Pottys on screen in the background...( pet peave) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baller Fastguy888 Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Watched almost the entire thing. Thank your TWBC! Tossed salad in the ski spray @Gloersen was wondering if this was effecting anything. Love the rear drone footage, but agree trying to follow skier was too much. If you had to take a shot every time Tony said "Wades World"? Would be cool if TWBC could cut to some pre done edits about the athletes, other venues, training, boat tech or anything to break up the visuals. Wade doing a great job on the doc but would be super classy to cut from live interview of athlete to short pre-packaged edits. More venue shots and wide establishing shots would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mfjaegersr Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 I noticed: Regina’s yellow champions’ bib said ‘Undefeated’ on the back. Priceless. A new prominent, household-name sponsor*, which should be a positive indicator for wider audience acceptance/appeal? (*Logitech; I know a few former colleagues still there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RAWSki Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Great broadcast by TWBC again Agree that the drone cam needs to calm down and follow boat path. Audio issues could still be addressed and levels smoothed out but that probably involves yet another person I wondered if the lake was higher than normal it was right at the level of the starting dock? The on camera crew in matching TWBC shirts is a nice touch and producing over 11 hrs or coverage is very impressive--- Looking forward to the next broadcast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller CBR51 Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Jakob Bagne looked great. Good to see another newcomer on the scene. Also I thought Freddie looked better. Maybe new ski is working better for him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Will Asher, still at the top, Style and Technique, So Smooth, what a Great Athelete and Ambassador for the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Slalom.Steve Posted May 2, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 2, 2022 Overall amazing skiing and amazing broadcast, thank you to everyone involved and especially TWBC! My comments: 1. I concur with the difficulty of watching the drone video swinging left and right, it's a very cool angle but better to have it stay flat. 2. The quality and stability of the in-boat video seemed not great? That's really the most important part of the whole broadcast, and I know more stable, higher-quality ski recordings can be achieved, like . But maybe there's a quality limitation with having to send the signal over air from the boat to the broadcast booth in real time? I have no idea. For stability, I'm no camera expert, but I believe some kind of camera stabilizer or gimbal could be super helpful, as long as it can pan back and forth fast enough? 3. Even if more overall stability is achieved, I think I'd also prefer a slightly less-zoomed-in video from the boat. The high-zoom shows more of the skier, but it also makes for a lot of intense back-and-forth screen motion, which can be fatiguing on the eyes and brain (similar to the drone swinging, just not as extreme). Again, something like that Denali video seems like a good compromise on the zoom level. You could maybe even run the live feed a little wider and then slow-mo replays more zoomed in (if the broadcasting software can do that), since slow-mo would make the screen movements slower as well. 5. Was Travers's handle rope fraying? It looked like something was dangling right about where the handle rope attaches, and then he snapped the rope a couple times at the end of a pass, maybe to try to break it all the way? (would he get the chance to use a different one then?) 5. And wondering like several others - in a sport where a thousand of an inch in the fin makes a difference, how could running over a good bit of lake vegetation not be disruptive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Use a little less wing angle when taking out Lilly pads...1/2 degree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted May 2, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 2, 2022 @liquid d at least the the green wall is gone.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eyepeeler Posted May 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 2, 2022 Great job Tony Lightfoot!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Fjeff Posted May 3, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 3, 2022 I was home all day with Covid and was able to watch the majority of the webcast. The visual quality was phenomenal; however, I wasn’t a fan of the drone shots, in my opinion it was too far behind the action. I notice that there seemed to be some backwash issues due to the quicker drop times; however, the biggest problem with our sport is the lag time between skiers and passes and the time it takes a slalom skier to get to the money pass. Tricks has become painfully slow with only 20 seconds of action followed by a ski change, rest, approaching or leaving the course and picking up a new skier. I enjoyed the shorter time between passes and question what is the shortest rest time/drop time between passes that the skiers could handle and still compete at a high level? The mandatory shorter line length start was a welcome addition. I wonder, with multiple rounds in a day, if the format could change where at the start at the day women could start at 28 and men at 32 but by the end of the day women would start at 35 and the men at 38? How short is too short for the top 8 skiers in the world to start at after already skiing earlier in the day? We saw all the men in the runoff at the worlds start at 39 and run it. In my opinion, Freddy Winter has been the best webcast co-host. He always critiques the skiers' style and allows the weekend warriors to learn something throughout the webcast. TWBC does a great job filling airtime throughout a very long day but why not have the skiers submit a bio to be read on air/worked into the content throughout a competitors’ set instead of having to rely on how well the commentators know the athlete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller APB Posted May 3, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 3, 2022 Will Asher stood out. Freddie was great. The women's scores being so close to the men's was awesome! Cant wait for Dane to find his seasonal stride... Love to see J. Bull ski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jhughes Posted May 3, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 3, 2022 One more thing– in general I just felt thankful that everyone involved from the competitors to the organizers are out there doing this stuff, pro skiing, basically for little to no financial benefit. This is a sport really driven by people and passion and it's awesome to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted May 3, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 3, 2022 Water 82 F, Air 78 F. I'm jealous with temps half that in my neck of the woods. As usual, great skiing by the competitors & enjoy the fact I can watch a water ski tourney live or for delayed viewing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UCFskier Posted May 3, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 3, 2022 will Ashers fight back after a difficult 39 Freddys unwavering strength Charlie Ross' dominance as a U17 and Mens Pro Danes style. just looks so solid!! drone footage was great to see!! good job to all the CREW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted May 3, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 3, 2022 The TWBC Swiss Highlights Recap - ready for Primetime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller prk Posted May 3, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 3, 2022 one little thing no malibu sticker on asher's ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lefty Posted May 3, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 3, 2022 Thought it was great all around sports entertainment, only thing missing was J Bull in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Mastercrafter Posted May 3, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 3, 2022 Asher, Travers, and Stadlbaur all had new, different Syndicate skis. Nate Smith appears to be a robot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Keith_Menard Posted May 4, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 4, 2022 I love that I can watch such great content on waterskiing. I love that you are continually trying to improve and take risks. I thought some of the camera angles shows just how fast the speeds really are. Would still love to see a boat drivers perspective view to get an appreciation of that it's like to drive someone at short line. Couple quibbles: As some one who gets sea sick on dry land, the drone was a bit much. This one is going to be the hardest....with the same competitors year after year, how do you keep the commentary fresh? Allie is light, Regina is a compound pharmacist, Nate....nm. You get the point. I don't know the answer because at this point it's like watching Tom Brady...hey Tom, ummm...what haven't we asked you in the last 40 years you have been winning super bowls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Keith_Menard Posted May 4, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 4, 2022 Question for Tony...you were totally trying to bait Rini into saying something nice about the Goode ski, right? :) Tony: That Goode ski looks like it sticks to the water no matter what Matt: Regina is a great skier! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted May 5, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 5, 2022 The low/inconsistent scores notwithstanding top drivers and stellar conditions. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller VONMAN Posted May 5, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 5, 2022 Lack of Spectators, but video coverage was Great. Need to trim the weeds in the course, its got to be distracting. Ernie Schlager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted May 5, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 5, 2022 @lpskier, I think the short wait timer and rollers at the beginning of the course were a factor in the scores. I don't think the skiers were getting the start they wanted, due to that, especially at -39 and -41. It appeared to me to show up at 2 ball, with a number of skiers running it over or at least cutting it very close to try to make up for the start. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted May 5, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 5, 2022 @MISkier Maybe you could see something on the webcast that I couldn’t see (or just didn’t notice) on the shore. Most of the time i was just down course from the judges tower so i could see the second half of 39 and the first four turns of 41. The drone video probably has a superior view. I’m friends with several of the skiers. No one I talked to mentioned short wait times or busy water as an issue. What was the wait time? 45-50 seconds should be fine. Unless longer waits are needed for conditions, anything over 50 seconds would be considered long. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted May 5, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 5, 2022 Maybe I missed the last web cast but the graphics intro that TWBC had at the beginning was ESPN quality with highlights from last year fused in. Made me feel like it was more then just a web cast. It just gets better every year. Hats off to TWBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller B_S Posted May 5, 2022 Baller Share Posted May 5, 2022 @Keith_Menard ya Tony making that Goode comment had me laughing. I'm sure he did that after Matt's little Radar commercial during Whitney's prior run! Awesome sauce! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted May 5, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted May 5, 2022 @lpskier, there were some shots of skiers pulling out and into their glide where there were rollers. I think I was noticing it mostly from the starting dock end. I'll have find time to go back through the video to get an example and also check the wait timer, which they did show a few times. I had thought it was 40 seconds or less in the preliminary rounds. I'll check. Edit: Found the timing reference for round 1 of both men and women. I was apparently looking at timings when many seconds had passed. Looks like a 52 second wait, which seems more than reasonable. Will look for roller footage. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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