Baller bojans Posted April 12, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 12, 2022 I see our president is set to authorize use of E-15 (presumably instead of E-10). The owners manual for our boat states not to use fuel with an ethanol content higher than 10%. Unfortunately I live in one of those state that loves their ethanol ethanol free fuel is not available. How big of a concern is this for me? https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-to-announce-e15-gasoline-use-to-help-increase-fuel-supply-reduce-gas-prices 2009 Nautique Use of ethanol blended fuel rated E10 or less is acceptable. DO NOT use fuels rated higher than E10. Ethanol fuels rated higher than E10 could potentially damage the engine and/or present an unsafe boat fuel system. Damage to the engine resulting from the use of ethanol fuel rated higher than E10 IS NOT covered by the engineʼs warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bojans Posted April 12, 2022 Author Baller Share Posted April 12, 2022 lol @Horton has the software changing B i d e n to skiing. Had to change the first line of the post and the link will not work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jmoski Posted April 12, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 12, 2022 My hope this just allows stations that already sell E15 outside of Summer months to now do so year round. Otherwise, I can’t find ethanol free gas where I am, so if I have to buy cans of VP racing non ethanol fuel from the local power equipment dealer to dilute it back to E10, that would be crazy $$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Lars Posted April 12, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 12, 2022 this will allow the use of E15 during the summer months, not require it. I'm sure there will be plenty of stations that will stick to E10. We have a handful of stations around here selling "88 octane" E15 the rest of the year but are always the shady stations. Also check out pure-gas.org for a list of stations that sell ethanol free gas in your area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller escmanaze Posted April 12, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 12, 2022 May God Bless Maverik. Here in Utah, every station they build new nowadays gets a tank for ethanol free 88. Yeah, it's only 88, but we are at elevation, and it's easier to add octane than to take out ethanol. Lots of other gas stations offer it as well. It has become very popular here. This latest announcement makes me even more grateful. I'm not sure what I would do in your shoes. Maybe just start buying big old cans or barrels of VP or Sunoco stuff? Maybe start buying tons of the ethanol treatment additives? Sorry man. I feel terrible for you. Let us know how it goes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted April 13, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted April 13, 2022 According to the people in the know (Fox Business), ethanol has less energy that gas, so even though it may be a little cheaper, you will get poorer mileage, thus leaving the price differential of minimal or no benefit. Fox states: “ The energy content of pure ethanol is about a third of gasoline's, and research conducted by AAA and others indicates that using E15 reduces efficiency by approximately 2% compared to regular. For example, a vehicle with a fuel economy rating of 25 mpg would be expected to deliver 24.5 mpg while running on E15.” Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BG1 Posted April 13, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 13, 2022 My mileage goes from 30 MPG with 10% to 31.5 MPG with pure gas. I buy pure gas when I have the option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGerald3 Posted April 13, 2022 Share Posted April 13, 2022 Ethanol free here for boats, mower, tractor, other small engines and 94 Jeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted April 13, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 13, 2022 I'm glad we keep politics off this site. Note: this wasn't directed at the thread but a comment that was later removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted April 13, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 13, 2022 Thread is fine, just some of the people that can't keep their juvenile political criticisms off of BOS. There may be a limit to how many times you can have your comments deleted....is it different from person to person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RGilmore Posted April 13, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 13, 2022 @ScottScott I can't speak for you, but I'm old enough to remember the good old days when merely reporting the proposal of a new executive order, without offering an opinion about that new order would necessitate censoring the President's actual name. I would have thought common sense would still trump knee-jerk reactions. Clearly, the insanity we are now living in has crept its way into even the tiniest corners of our formerly-great society. I, for one, look forward with hope to an eventual return to normalcy. Until then, I guess I'll just be bidin' my time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted April 13, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 13, 2022 Shooo… politics would be easier to handle than this thread morphing into high octane jib jabs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtmecheng Posted April 15, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 15, 2022 All that the President did was allow for E15 to be sold throughout the summer, just as it was all winter. If your station offers E15, it still will. If you don’t want it, get the stuff you always did. This isn’t a requirement for gas stations to carry E15, just a relaxation of the rule that it can only be sold in the colder months. To be clear, I am not a fan of ethanol in fuel but want to clear up possible confusion. I definitely stay clear of the ethanol in a boat when possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted April 15, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted April 15, 2022 Using a cheaper but less efficient fuel isn’t a good solution. It’s smoke and mirrors. What really would help skiers/boaters is if we didn’t have to pay highway tax on gas not burned on a highway. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted April 15, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 15, 2022 @lpskier In Texas you can apply for a refund of the State portion of the highway tax not burned on the highway. For the federal portion, the non-highway use must be a business use to get the refund through your tax return. https://americanboating.org/fueltax.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted April 15, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted April 15, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihacker Posted April 15, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 15, 2022 E15 has been mumbled about quite a few times over the years, as far as I recall no one that builds a motor for anything, from a chain saw to a boat or a pick up truck has ever approved of using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted April 20, 2022 Baller_ Share Posted April 20, 2022 From Indmar, courtesy of BIMP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller keithh2oskier Posted April 20, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2022 @skihacker my Dodge Ram with the 4.7 can handle up to e85 so I assume e15 would be no issues in that engine from a reliability/performance perspective. I assume vehicles with one of these decals can run ethanol with no problems. I never use E85 because like others said, while it is cheaper, my already poor mileage decreases and it costs me more per mile to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted April 20, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2022 The long/short of it in regards to the OP is.....there's nothing to see here. The OP stated "presumably instead of E10" which is jumping the gun. Nothing is changing except the fuel that had previously NOT been available during the summer, will be available year round this year. But if that isn't a fuel that your vehicles use (or can use,) then it in no way effects you (I would guess that most, if not all ski boats are NOT set up for flex fuel.) E10 and ethanol free aren't going away and will still be around to be used.....business as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller escmanaze Posted April 20, 2022 Baller Share Posted April 20, 2022 Here is another guy who has done a few videos on the topic. While his explanations are sometimes oversimplified, IMO, he still does an overall pretty decent job at what he does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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