Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted July 7, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 7, 2022 @jjackkrash For 68" I'd go: 30 5/8 2.495 6.845 .765 9 Feel free to PM about your sons and your ski and how those settings work out, I'll make sure to get you dialed. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted July 7, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 7, 2022 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skiboy35 Posted July 7, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 7, 2022 Really liked Cole Giacopuzzi first settings he gave me,but added 6.837 for my length 2.497 deep and 8 1/2 on wing because I'm only going 32 mph, this ski ROCKS, may try new setting but I really like the settings I have and skiing good, All my ski friends know that I love to tweak but this may be the first time just to ski and work on my bad habits THANKS for all your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted July 7, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 7, 2022 @ColeGiacopuzzi My boy uses a Vector binding and I am on the Vapor Carbitex bindings (double boot) on the plate (not the brand new boot), are you referring to the brand new boot with the settings you provided? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted July 7, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 7, 2022 @jjackkrash No those measurements are not for the new boot. So you can use those measurements above. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller kurt Posted July 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 8, 2022 @ColeGiacopuzzi what settings for 67 in , New boots on the sequence Plate? where do you measure to? 2nd & 3rd set was tonight . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted July 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 8, 2022 @kurt It’s the same as measuring with the old vapors on the sequence plate you measure from the back of the slot next to the rear of the front boot. That measurement is the same as if you were only running a front vapor and measured from the base of it. For 67” I’d go: 29 7/8 2.490 6.845 .760 9 Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Windsurfnut Posted July 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 8, 2022 One of the best things I've learned on this site: the sequence plate you measure from the back of the slot next to the rear of the front boot Thanks Cole for that tip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted July 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 9, 2022 ummmm wut? First time I've ever heard this. Why wouldn't you just measure from the rear of the boot? pic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted July 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 9, 2022 @C5Quest You cant measure from the rear of the front boot if you're running double vapors on the sequence plate without taking the rear boot off. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted July 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 9, 2022 Gotcha. I use one of two methods for the carbon sequence plate… Get Bf established with front boot alone mounted. Then just note where the side screw scale is mounted. Then go back and mount the rear boot. Now you can move 1/16 increments from there and always know Bf. Or just mount the front boot and measure the distance to the end of the plate. Remount rear boot and slide the plate based on difference from end of plate to the tail of ski. Either way you’re moving the plate from a known position. I’ll have to check out the slot method Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted July 9, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 9, 2022 Good to know about the sequence plate! With double boots and the plate my practice has been to measure a blank ski and run a tape line across it and then pull the tape after I set the micro tuner, but just measuring to the slot sounds a whole heck of a lot easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted July 10, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 10, 2022 Moving the bindings that much in one jump gives me some pause. But I am going to give the new settings a rip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted July 10, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 10, 2022 @jjackkrash Fat fingers I meant to type 30 3/8 for 68" sorry about that!! Yeah measuring from the slot is the fastest way no doubt! Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted July 10, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 10, 2022 The new settings with bindings at 30 3/8 worked great. Thanks so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted July 10, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 10, 2022 I just adjusted the Boy's ski; hopefully get a test run in tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtmecheng Posted July 10, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 10, 2022 This thread exemplifies why we need a better, more universal way of measuring DFT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted July 10, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 10, 2022 @vtmecheng were talking about measuring the sequence plate with vapor boots. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtmecheng Posted July 11, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 11, 2022 @ColeGiacopuzzi I’m talking about the different measurements for different bindings. Wish there was a way for all to be standard so that we can start at stock locations. Going from one binding to another, like rubber to hard shell or vapor, can be big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dano Posted July 11, 2022 Baller Share Posted July 11, 2022 @vtmecheng agreed, would be helpful if manufacturers would list which binding was used for their measurements. I get it it, it's only meant to be a starting point and we can adjust from there. But not all of us are pros at setting up skis. I've moved my binding around enough to know that 1/4" has a huge impact. So that leaves a guy wondering if the binding i'm measuring puts my foot in the the same spot as what the factory measured. Maybe it's not as important as a I think but if I knew for certain my foot was located in the right spot i could just go ski it right out of the box with no worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted August 2, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2022 Anyone gonna try the new long and shallow settings listed on the Radar site for the 2023s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller coach3 Posted August 3, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2022 @brooks Has rocker or stiffness changed on the 23 Vapor? Y'all make great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller brooks Posted August 3, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2022 @coach3 we are utilizing a modified flex layup that has a softer tip which allows the ski to mover more fluid through the finish of the turn but the Rocker is the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 4, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2022 I just ran these #'s from Cole G on my 66 and really worked for me. Especially since I was ready to toss my ski in the woods. 29 3/8 from bottom of base of vapor boot. 2.485 6.845 .755 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted August 4, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2022 @brooks, any thoughts on the "long and shallow" numbers? I like Cole G's settings so far and I am reluctant to move the fin at all but long and shallow has worked for me on other skis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller brooks Posted August 4, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2022 @jjackkrash If you don’t have any tournaments coming up then I would say have some fun and try the long and shallow, you can always move back to Cole’s settings if they aren’t better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ali Posted August 7, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 7, 2022 @brooks dont say that!! I am rocking stock and I have a tournament in 10 days but now I wanna try long and shallow!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller brooks Posted August 8, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 8, 2022 Hahah @Ali I’d wait and try it post tourney! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GMC Posted August 19, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 19, 2022 I took up the challenge from @brooks and tried the long/shallow last night. I liked it! The ski moved out to the ball nicely from the wakes and finished the turn with good speed. I could get across course with a lot of space before the next ball. I'm going to keep it here for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 23, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 23, 2022 @GMC How those Long/Shallow settings working out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GMC Posted August 23, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 23, 2022 I've only skied them twice but I'm liking them. Like you've said here or in the 23 model thread, I'm also typically a short/deep skier; I was running Cole's short/deep but I really think it was too much depth. The ski seemed kinda stuck under me, didn't want to roll onto edge, and took a lot of input to turn. None of that is true with long/shallow. Give it a shot! PS the softer tip on the 23 ski does sound a bit enticing too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller whitem71 Posted August 24, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2022 I’m with @GMC - my ‘22 Vapor didn’t want to turn the offside so Rossi suggested these long/shallow settings: 29.50 6.940 2.463 0.750 9 These are what I ran on my 2017 Vapor and made it much more ‘point and go’. Have to be careful not to bury the tip on the offside though and it’s easier to get pulled out of alignment (well it is for me!) as the tip is lower. Short and deep feels epic on a flat lake when you are ahead and on a high line, but it feels to me like you really have to hustle the ski at shorter line lengths (especially on my harder passes as I’m clearly not Chris Rossi!) and feels slower in warm water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 24, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2022 What size ski @whitem71 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller whitem71 Posted August 24, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2022 @C5Quest 66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GMC Posted August 24, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 24, 2022 Ha, I had the same question in draft all morning... Thought I sent it hours ago! BTW my previous post was no knock on last year's posts in this thread... those short/deep settings worked great where I could push the ski around a bit. Not so much lately though, which is probably just making me ski properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 27, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 27, 2022 @ColeGiacopuzzi Ive had great success on your last numbers on my 2022- 29 3/8 from bottom of base of vapor boot. 2.485 6.845 .755 9 Just received my 2023 and wondering if you are running those same numbers...assuming you're on the 23 already. Shape is the same but different flex in the tip. Will the new flex pattern alter the settings a bit, if any? Im going to start with the stock/short deep as it came but maybe go 29 3/8 on Bf. Thoughts? If it starts a significant discussion we can move to the 2023 thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted August 27, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 27, 2022 @C5Quest Awesome to hear you got the 23! Yeah I would honestly just run those same exact numbers above if anything they will feel better with the softer tip! I’m running the same numbers on 23! Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 27, 2022 Baller Share Posted August 27, 2022 Sweet! Thanks. Will give them a whirl tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted March 16, 2023 Baller Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) On 6/22/2022 at 7:54 AM, ColeGiacopuzzi said: @tjm i ended up taking some surface area away. Those settings you’re at are great. I ended up at: 29 3/8 from bottom of base of vapor boot. 2.485 6.845 .755 9 If you’re on a different boot than a vapor Go 29 9/16. Is that with the new boot? Can I measure to the sequence plate groove? My boy just switched to the new boot, RTP, and a plate. Edited March 16, 2023 by jjackkrash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted March 16, 2023 Baller Share Posted March 16, 2023 @jjackkrashYes those settings were with the new boot. Yeah you can measure from the rear of the slot where it lines up with the rear of the boot. Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted March 16, 2023 Baller Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ColeGiacopuzzi said: @jjackkrashYes those settings were with the new boot. Yeah you can measure from the rear of the slot where it lines up with the rear of the boot. So, not the actual rear of the slot but a straight line from the rear (bottom) of the boot out to some point on the slot? Then measure from there to the back of the ski? Edited March 16, 2023 by jjackkrash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted March 16, 2023 Baller Share Posted March 16, 2023 Yeah in the photo in your post you won’t be able to measure from the base because the RTP is touching right where the tape measure should go. So since the rear of the front boot lines up with the rear of that slot; you can measure from the rear of the slot straight back to the back of the ski and get your measurement. Does that make sense? feel free to PM and I can help more too! Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted March 16, 2023 Baller Share Posted March 16, 2023 Here to here is 29&3/8 from end of slot to back of ski. All good or try again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted March 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) It's interesting. I tore it all apart and took measurements with the rtp off and got a stock setting/measurement from the base of the boot to the rear of the ski using squares and whatnot to get the best measurement possible. I placed it at the stock setting and took a baseline measurement from the rear of the carbon plate, per the tip above. Cole's settings are 1/8 of an inch longer than stock. Which, at the end of the day, put the microadjusters at dead-bang zero (the exact middle adjustment) on the plate. I think the Radar folks are playing a gag on me. LOL. 🙂 Edited March 17, 2023 by jjackkrash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted March 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2023 51 minutes ago, jjackkrash said: It's interesting. I tore it all apart and took measurements with the rtp off and got a stock setting/measurement from the base of the boot to the rear of the ski using squares and whatnot to get the best measurement possible. I placed it at the stock setting and took a baseline measurement from the rear of the carbon plate, per the tip above. Cole's settings are 1/8 of an inch longer than stock. Which, at the end of the day, put the microadjusters at dead-bang zero (the exact middle adjustment) on the plate. I think the Radar folks are playing a gag on me. LOL. 🙂 Same here on the G10 plate and reflex release. Dead nutz on center hole. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddK Posted March 17, 2023 Baller Share Posted March 17, 2023 Anyone tried the Whisper Fin Pro on the 22? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted March 20, 2023 Baller Share Posted March 20, 2023 (edited) My boy skied this weekend (first set of the year) and had no issues with the transition to the new boot or placement. We may play with micro adjustments when it's a little warmer but solid start for sure. Thanks all, for the help (especially @ColeGiacopuzzi). Edited March 20, 2023 by jjackkrash 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted March 20, 2023 Baller Share Posted March 20, 2023 Anytime. Stoked it all worked out and he liked it and transitioned easy! That’s awesome! @jjackkrash Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skiboy35 Posted May 6, 2023 Baller Share Posted May 6, 2023 Looking for a 2022 vapor 68" long/short fin settings going 32mph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OKSkier Posted July 15, 2023 Baller Share Posted July 15, 2023 Just a quick question about boot length on a 2023 68 Vapor. From below the Reflex rear block to the end of the ski is either a little less than 30.25 or a little more. 34 mph skier - 210 lbs. Any comments on pushing it forward more than 30.25 - probably help the offisde turns etc. Right now I have i at less than 30.25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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