2022 Vapor Settings

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@jjackkrash those were the settings I was at a while back, but to answer your question the extra DFT forward makes the tip ride lower allowing the tail to slide more. I usually end up riding our skis with more tail slide.

 

Now I’m at:

 

29 3/8 from bottom of base of vapor boot.

2.485

6.845

.755

9

If you’re on a different boot than a vapor Go 29 9/16.

 

Yeah i think that they will work great, give them a rip. Worse comes to worse you just go back to where you were.

[jjackkrash]

@ColeGiacopuzzi, thanks so much, I'll make those adjustments on my boy's ski.

 

I just picked up a 2022 68" for me last night, any suggested settings for a 68? (I saw from October your suggested numbers were as follows, are these still the way to go?):

 

30 1/4

2.505

6.830

.765

9

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@jjackkrash For 68" I'd go:

 

30 5/8

2.495

6.845

.765

9

 

Feel free to PM about your sons and your ski and how those settings work out, I'll make sure to get you dialed.

[jjackkrash]

Thanks!

[Skiboy35]

Really liked Cole Giacopuzzi first settings he gave me,but added 6.837 for my length 2.497 deep and 8 1/2 on wing because I'm only going 32 mph, this ski ROCKS, may try new setting but I really like the settings I have and skiing good, All my ski friends know that I love to tweak but this may be the first time just to ski and work on my bad habits THANKS for all your help

[jjackkrash]

@ColeGiacopuzzi

 

My boy uses a Vector binding and I am on the Vapor Carbitex bindings (double boot) on the plate (not the brand new boot), are you referring to the brand new boot with the settings you provided?

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@jjackkrash No those measurements are not for the new boot. So you can use those measurements above.

[kurt]

@ColeGiacopuzzi what settings for 67 in , New boots on the sequence Plate? where do you measure to?

2nd & 3rd set was tonight .

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@kurt It’s the same as measuring with the old vapors on the sequence plate you measure from the back of the slot next to the rear of the front boot.

 

That measurement is the same as if you were only running a front vapor and measured from the base of it.

 

For 67” I’d go:

 

29 7/8

2.490

6.845

.760

9

[Windsurfnut]

One of the best things I've learned on this site: the sequence plate you measure from the back of the slot next to the rear of the front boot

Thanks Cole for that tip!

[C5Quest]

ummmm wut? First time I've ever heard this. Why wouldn't you just measure from the rear of the boot? pic?

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@C5Quest You cant measure from the rear of the front boot if you're running double vapors on the sequence plate without taking the rear boot off.

[C5Quest]

Gotcha. I use one of two methods for the carbon sequence plate…

Get Bf established with front boot alone mounted. Then just note where the side screw scale is mounted. Then go back and mount the rear boot. Now you can move 1/16 increments from there and always know Bf.

 

Or just mount the front boot and measure the distance to the end of the plate. Remount rear boot and slide the plate based on difference from end of plate to the tail of ski.

 

Either way you’re moving the plate from a known position. I’ll have to check out the slot method

[jjackkrash]

Good to know about the sequence plate! With double boots and the plate my practice has been to measure a blank ski and run a tape line across it and then pull the tape after I set the micro tuner, but just measuring to the slot sounds a whole heck of a lot easier.

[jjackkrash]

Moving the bindings that much in one jump gives me some pause. But I am going to give the new settings a rip.

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@jjackkrash Fat fingers I meant to type 30 3/8 for 68" sorry about that!! Yeah measuring from the slot is the fastest way no doubt!

[jjackkrash]

The new settings with bindings at 30 3/8 worked great. Thanks so much.

[jjackkrash]

I just adjusted the Boy's ski; hopefully get a test run in tomorrow.

[vtmecheng]

This thread exemplifies why we need a better, more universal way of measuring DFT.

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@vtmecheng were talking about measuring the sequence plate with vapor boots.

[vtmecheng]

@ColeGiacopuzzi I’m talking about the different measurements for different bindings. Wish there was a way for all to be standard so that we can start at stock locations. Going from one binding to another, like rubber to hard shell or vapor, can be big.

[Dano]

@vtmecheng agreed, would be helpful if manufacturers would list which binding was used for their measurements. I get it it, it's only meant to be a starting point and we can adjust from there. But not all of us are pros at setting up skis. I've moved my binding around enough to know that 1/4" has a huge impact. So that leaves a guy wondering if the binding i'm measuring puts my foot in the the same spot as what the factory measured. Maybe it's not as important as a I think but if I knew for certain my foot was located in the right spot i could just go ski it right out of the box with no worry.

[jjackkrash]

Anyone gonna try the new long and shallow settings listed on the Radar site for the 2023s?

[coach3]

@brooks Has rocker or stiffness changed on the 23 Vapor? Y'all make great stuff.

 

[brooks]

@coach3 we are utilizing a modified flex layup that has a softer tip which allows the ski to mover more fluid through the finish of the turn but the Rocker is the same!

 

[C5Quest]

I just ran these #'s from Cole G on my 66 and really worked for me. Especially since I was ready to toss my ski in the woods.

 

29 3/8 from bottom of base of vapor boot.

2.485

6.845

.755

9

[jjackkrash]

@brooks, any thoughts on the "long and shallow" numbers? I like Cole G's settings so far and I am reluctant to move the fin at all but long and shallow has worked for me on other skis.

[brooks]

@jjackkrash If you don’t have any tournaments coming up then I would say have some fun and try the long and shallow, you can always move back to Cole’s settings if they aren’t better

[Ali]

@brooks dont say that!! I am rocking stock and I have a tournament in 10 days but now I wanna try long and shallow!!

[brooks]

Hahah @Ali I’d wait and try it post tourney!

[GMC]

I took up the challenge from @brooks and tried the long/shallow last night. I liked it! The ski moved out to the ball nicely from the wakes and finished the turn with good speed. I could get across course with a lot of space before the next ball. I'm going to keep it here for a while.

 

 

[C5Quest]

@GMC How those Long/Shallow settings working out?

[GMC]

I've only skied them twice but I'm liking them. Like you've said here or in the 23 model thread, I'm also typically a short/deep skier; I was running Cole's short/deep but I really think it was too much depth. The ski seemed kinda stuck under me, didn't want to roll onto edge, and took a lot of input to turn.

 

None of that is true with long/shallow. Give it a shot!

 

PS the softer tip on the 23 ski does sound a bit enticing too.

[whitem71]

I’m with @GMC - my ‘22 Vapor didn’t want to turn the offside so Rossi suggested these long/shallow settings:

29.50

6.940

2.463

0.750

9

These are what I ran on my 2017 Vapor and made it much more ‘point and go’. Have to be careful not to bury the tip on the offside though and it’s easier to get pulled out of alignment (well it is for me!) as the tip is lower.

Short and deep feels epic on a flat lake when you are ahead and on a high line, but it feels to me like you really have to hustle the ski at shorter line lengths (especially on my harder passes as I’m clearly not Chris Rossi!) and feels slower in warm water.

[C5Quest]

What size ski @whitem71 ?

 

[whitem71]

@C5Quest 66

[GMC]

Ha, I had the same question in draft all morning... Thought I sent it hours ago!

 

BTW my previous post was no knock on last year's posts in this thread... those short/deep settings worked great where I could push the ski around a bit. Not so much lately though, which is probably just making me ski properly.

[C5Quest]

@ColeGiacopuzzi Ive had great success on your last numbers on my 2022-

 

29 3/8 from bottom of base of vapor boot.

2.485

6.845

.755

9

 

Just received my 2023 and wondering if you are running those same numbers...assuming you're on the 23 already. Shape is the same but different flex in the tip. Will the new flex pattern alter the settings a bit, if any? Im going to start with the stock/short deep as it came but maybe go 29 3/8 on Bf. Thoughts? If it starts a significant discussion we can move to the 2023 thread.

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@C5Quest Awesome to hear you got the 23! Yeah I would honestly just run those same exact numbers above if anything they will feel better with the softer tip! I’m running the same numbers on 23!

[C5Quest]

Sweet! Thanks. Will give them a whirl tomorrow.

 

[jjackkrash]

On 6/22/2022 at 7:54 AM, ColeGiacopuzzi said:

@tjm i ended up taking some surface area away. Those settings you’re at are great.

 

I ended up at:

29 3/8 from bottom of base of vapor boot.

2.485

6.845

.755

9

If you’re on a different boot than a vapor Go 29 9/16.

Is that with the new boot?  Can I measure to the sequence plate groove?  My boy just switched to the new boot, RTP, and a plate.  

Edited March 16 by jjackkrash

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@jjackkrashYes those settings were with the new boot. 

Yeah you can measure from the rear of the slot where it lines up with the rear of the boot. 

[jjackkrash]

3 minutes ago, ColeGiacopuzzi said:

@jjackkrashYes those settings were with the new boot. 

Yeah you can measure from the rear of the slot where it lines up with the rear of the boot. 

So, not the actual rear of the slot but a straight line from the rear (bottom) of the boot out to some point on the slot?  Then measure from there to the back of the ski?  

Edited March 16 by jjackkrash

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

Yeah in the photo in your post you won’t be able to measure from the base because the RTP is touching right where the tape measure should go.

So since the rear of the front boot lines up with the rear of that slot; you can measure from the rear of the slot straight back to the back of the ski and get your measurement. Does that make sense? 
 

feel free to PM and I can help more too!

 

 

[jjackkrash]

Here to here is 29&3/8 from end of slot to back of ski.   All good or try again?

[Gloersen]

alternatively, with the RTP off, determine distance of FB from rear edge of sequence plate, record it, then measure from rear edge of sequence plate to tail (sum for FB from tail). More precise/consistent.

preferred RTP spread is another topic.

[jjackkrash]

It's interesting.  I tore it all apart and took measurements with the rtp off and got a stock setting/measurement from the base of the boot to the rear of the ski using squares and whatnot to get the best measurement possible.  I placed it at the stock setting and took a baseline measurement from the rear of the carbon plate, per the tip above.  Cole's settings are 1/8 of an inch longer than stock.  Which, at the end of the day, put the microadjusters at dead-bang zero (the exact middle adjustment) on the plate.  I think the Radar folks are playing a gag on me.   LOL.  🙂

Edited March 17 by jjackkrash

[UWSkier]

51 minutes ago, jjackkrash said:

It's interesting.  I tore it all apart and took measurements with the rtp off and got a stock setting/measurement from the base of the boot to the rear of the ski using squares and whatnot to get the best measurement possible.  I placed it at the stock setting and took a baseline measurement from the rear of the carbon plate, per the tip above.  Cole's settings are 1/8 of an inch longer than stock.  Which, at the end of the day, put the microadjusters at dead-bang zero (the exact middle adjustment) on the plate.  I think the Radar folks are playing a gag on me.   LOL.  🙂

Same here on the G10 plate and reflex release.  Dead nutz on center hole.

[ToddK]

Anyone tried the Whisper Fin Pro on the 22? 

[jjackkrash]

My boy skied this weekend (first set of the year) and had no issues with the transition to the new boot or placement.  We may play with micro adjustments when it's a little warmer but solid start for sure.   Thanks all, for the help (especially @ColeGiacopuzzi).  

Edited Monday at 08:22 PM by jjackkrash