2022 Vapor Settings

[Keith_Menard]

@slalom frog What did that do for the ski?

[slalom frog]

I find that the 2022 is faster than my 2019. I tend to pull a little too long cross course and I felt that the 10 degrees was the right deceleration for my skiing style. The boot change was helpful with engaging more of the ski in my pre gate glide and the buoy. These changes were tried at 34 mph for about 3 sets at 28, 32 and 35.

[Ali]

@whitem71 spoke via FB to Whitney, she confirmed she is on a 22 but with 21 graphics

 

Our water got down to 63F and the 22 still skis great, better than my 20.

 

cheers

Ali

[GMC]

I'll throw in my support for the 22 version. I haven't skied a Vapor since the 17. I was already starting to demo skis this year when this one was introduced and the press release described exactly what I was looking for in a ski. It delivers on those words. It is more than fast enough, makes good angle, really moves well through the turns right out of the box. Stock settings work well but I've gone a few thousandths shallower and forward to free up the tail just a bit. I like how that feels but my best practice score (by a buoy) was with the stock settings... maybe I should go back!?!

 

It's a fun, low maintenance ski that does a lot of things right.

[whitem71]

@Ali thanks for that info, she did look really good on it!

Have just bought a 22 Vapor in black (coming from a 2017), hoping to get it set up ASAP and really looking forward to it. Wonder how it will compare?

 

[Ali]

@whitem71 I got the white and wasn't sure how it would look but it looks fantastic. I hope you love it as much as I do. Ran straight into 3@35/12m today in 65F water. That is only the 2nd time I have got outside 3 ball ever and I got to it again the next pass. if I am skiing a little bit back it still gets it done. If I get a little more on the front foot it is a rocket ship (in the right way). Still all on stock. I want to try @ColeGiacopuzzi numbers but stock is so good.

 

Cheers

Ali

[whitem71]

@Killer Joel’s review

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CSo-hzFDviD/?utm_medium=copy_link

[Ali]

@brooks @ColeGiacopuzzi

what size for 160-165lbs skiing 32mph, 22 and 28 off. I would guess a 67

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@Ali you could go either way, but for 32mph I would probably go 67"

[Ali]

@ColeGiacopuzzi he is a Florida skier so warm water too, so 67 sounds right

[Keith_Menard]

It's funny how many people sat out the vapor from 2017 until this one.

[Zman]

Sat out the Vapor? I know of a lot of 2019 Vapors out there. I'm on one, the Pro Build version. Great ski. Far better than the 2017, IMHO.

[Keith_Menard]

@Ali I am right in your range...67.

[skimtb]

slight threadjack. So the 19 is a version, and the 20-21 is the same ski, and the 22 is new? I'm considering a "new to me" ski and curious what the cutoffs are. Currently still enjoying a '17, love the dayglow green....

[BS74]

@skimtb , I'm also on a 2017 67in. vapor and want to go up. I'm still debating on year 21 or year22. Some good deals on the 21's. I'm going to the worlds to watch and see what people are skiing on.

[Zman]

@skimtb For sure @ColeGiacopuzzi can answer much better than myself, but I would say yes - the 20 and 21are similar to the 2019, maybe with slight updates. And, the 2022 is more of a redesign, with more significant changes.

I don't think you can go wrong with any Vapor 2019 or newer.

I stand corrected by Cole in his comment below.

[C5Quest]

@skimtb I have a like new , new to you 2020 Vapor Pro 66 Ill let go cheap

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@skimtb no so 2019 is a completely different shape than 2020 We work in a 2 year cycle. 2020 was a new ski; 2021 is a refinement of the same shape. It’s usually smaller changes. Then 2022 is a new shape. I had mentioned earlier in this thread some key differences from the 19 to the 22, but stability, but also Read the paragraph above it has Some key things I think the 22 does better than any other ski.

[skimtb]

@ColeGiacopuzzi Thanks, that's what I was saying, just not clear. 2019 is one design, then the 20-21 is a different one, and now I know 21 was slight change from 20.

PM to you with other questions so I can stop the threadjack...

[gavski]

@ColeGiacopuzzi. I loved the 2016 vapor, especially with @TFIN numbers. Moved away from radar the past 4 seasons - long storey…But, i am very interested in the 2022 vapor - so much so that I am about to take a leap of faith…

 

Do you happen to have the numbers that TFIN sent you? I am assuming it’s for the 67”?

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@gavski @TFIN 67” numbers are:

 

29 3/4

2.510

6.825

.760

9

[BS74]

Taking my 3rd set tomorrow on the 22 vapor. Had a little trouble getting it to turn tighter on both sides. Stock settings from web site. Might take a few thousands off depth or move fin forward, probably depth first.

[GMC]

@ColeGiacopuzzi Thanks for sharing those. Last week I took a swag at the alternate settings for a 67" based on what you previously posted for 66 and 68 and tried

 

29 3/4

2.505

6.830

0.760

9

 

I moved the front binding up 1 click on my Mikrojust (so probably 29 13/16") and the ski felt awesome... then it got cold and windy. Probably done for the season but I'm dialed in for next year with those or maybe the actual numbers you posted.

[gavski]

@ColeGiacopuzzi thanks for those numbers - next step, organise a demo from perf ski..

 

Just curious why this ski appears not to have arrived with great fanfare? Just a more subdued release and reception..time of year, worlds, COVID?

 

I have no doubt it is going to be a great ski.

[BS74]

Skied 4th set this morning and still not getting it to turn on both sides. 67inch, binding 29.75, length 6.850,depth 2.476, D/T .760 Went with a smaller wing(8 degrees) because I felt the pull out glide wasn't there. Suggestions? 3 of the 4 sets were in fairly strong cross winds and chop, so maybe just need more sets. Usually when I get on a new ski one side works fairly well and tweak the other. My 2017 just worked from day one.

 

[Chris Rossi]

Thanks for all the positive support for the new Vapor everyone. @gavski demand on our end is through the roof so not sure about less fanfare. @BS74, DM me and I'll work with you on your set up.

[Bdecker]

@Chris Rossi - you guys nailed it on this one! I’ve been on (and loved) the 14, 18, 20, and now the 22. By far the most consistent of the bunch. Still haven’t touched the settings from stock. Finally pulled the boat for the season this past Friday but the ski rips even when the water cools off.

 

[BS74]

Decided the ski is not for me, so it's for sale, $1600.00 delivered in US

[StevePops]

@ColeGiacopuzzi

What size would you recommend for me when bying the new Vapor? I’m 182lbs skiing 34mph and at the moment 22 and 28 off. I’m curruntly on a Vapor lithium 2016 67”. My friends are telling me that I should go with a 68” ?

[Deanoski]

@StevePops You want a 67 4 sure

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@StevePops 67” sounds like the go to for sure, but how tall are you?

[ETskier]

@BS74 Did you ever try the 20-21 long and shallow settings? Maybe not so shallow like 2.450. Just sayin worth a try before you dump it.

[StevePops]

@ColeGiacopuzzi I’m a metric man so I am 175 centimeters tall(or short).

[BS74]

@ETskier : Yes, C. Rossi sent me these #'s: 29 3/4, 6.92, 2.45, .77 and I skied much better. There was only one set of settings or Radar website and originally went with those. Just can't get any calm water right now, getting those north winds in fl. which is a strong cross wind where I ski. Tried again yesterday and the ski was bouncing so bad I just free skied on the N shore.

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@StevePops yeah I'd still go 67"

[StevePops]

@Deanoski @ColeGiacopuzzi

Thanks for the help! ?

[Chris Rossi]

@StevePops I agree with @ColeGiacopuzzi and @Deanoski that a 67" is the way to go.

[whitem71]

Just came back from Orlando and skied around 8 sets on my new 22 Vapor. First impressions was it felt longer weirdly even tho it’s still a 66 like my ‘17. Also felt smoother, stickier, calmer and maybe a tad slower. It turned like a hot knife through butter, created lots of angle and held it strongly right up to the pre turn. Offside felt like I was on my back foot however and needed some tweaking and in the end I lengthened the fin slightly to give more tip. It was either that or move the bindings forward but the fin tweak seemed to help.

 

So overall really liked it but it felt a whole lot more grown up and kind of sensible. Very unlike a Vapor tbh.

 

Oh and the water out there was 28c!!

[C5Quest]

Im finally starting to really enjoy my 22 Vapor. Started the season at all stock numbers but wasn't working for me all that well.. Truth be told, It was mostly me that wasn't working. I ended up with @ColeGiacopuzzi numbers of basically all stock except pushed DFT from .75 to .76. Just that small DFT tweak made all the difference. Now the ski really comes around and I get an awesome hook up in great position..As an added bonus my turn in for the gates has been almost 100% better. Able to get over the ski and off the heel and sets me up great going into 1 ball. Game changer.

[tjm]

@ColeGiacopuzzi are you still at the following for the 66"

29 1/4

6.860

2.480

.761

9

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@tjm i ended up taking some surface area away. Those settings you’re at are great.

 

I ended up at:

29 3/8 from bottom of base of vapor boot.

2.485

6.845

.755

9

If you’re on a different boot than a vapor Go 29 9/16.

[tjm]

@ColeGiacopuzzi thank you!

[C5Quest]

@ColeGiacopuzzi im still on your numbers but have the new vapor boots so going to give these new #s a rip.

 

@ColeGiacopuzzi How is your Vapor boot set up? Mounted directly to a Radar plate or using the Reflex release? Having trouble getting the boot straight with the Reflex system. Its cants the boot outward. (LLF and the boot cants left noticeably). I believe others are having same issue. Mounting to the plate with screws gets it dead on. I added a Mikro Just to the plate to get Bf exactly where I need as well.

[C5Quest]

Actually just spoke to Brooks and apparently new Radar plates on the way.

 

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

Right on!! @C5Quest

[Keith_Menard]

any updates for the 67?

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@Keith_Menard if you want you can give the above settings a rip.

for a 67" it would be:

30 1/8

2.490

6.845

.760

9

[jjackkrash]

@ColeGiacopuzzi

 

for a 66", these settings look stock except for the .761, which is .11 more DFT:

 

29 1/4

6.860

2.480

.761

9

 

 

What does the extra DFT do to the ski characteristics? (wonder if these settings would work well for a junior skiing just getting into 36/-22)

 

[ColeGiacopuzzi]

@jjackkrash those were the settings I was at a while back, but to answer your question the extra DFT forward makes the tip ride lower allowing the tail to slide more. I usually end up riding our skis with more tail slide.

 

Now I’m at:

 

29 3/8 from bottom of base of vapor boot.

2.485

6.845

.755

9

If you’re on a different boot than a vapor Go 29 9/16.

 

Yeah i think that they will work great, give them a rip. Worse comes to worse you just go back to where you were.

[jjackkrash]

@ColeGiacopuzzi, thanks so much, I'll make those adjustments on my boy's ski.

 

I just picked up a 2022 68" for me last night, any suggested settings for a 68? (I saw from October your suggested numbers were as follows, are these still the way to go?):

 

30 1/4

2.505

6.830

.765

9