Baller ROBOT Posted November 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2020 For some time now I have wanted to provide some form of writing that would provide interest to all levels of skiers. No matter whether you are a pro skier wanting to learn something new, or a big lake/river warrior who is begging their partner to drive for them on a Sunday morning, answers to the following questionnaire should provide all skiers with a deeper insight into the minds and thinking of a selection of our world class tournament waterski drivers.Read More Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Slalom.Steve Posted November 2, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted November 2, 2020 One of the comments says that "courses without islands may require you to start at an angle, so you don't send bow rollers down every pass." Can someone clarify this for me? I know to not throw a wake perpendicular to the course, but not sure what that comment is referencing. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2020 @SlalomSteve The stern roller. When you come out of the hole the boat makes a depression that runs with you...thus if you go straight in it follows. If you have islands, you come out of the hole facing away and thus it doesn't occur. All that said...I have never found it to be a big enough deal to worry about...but at the highest level for the best skiers...it's probably a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller AdamCord Posted November 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2020 Great article @noodleba From @Chad_Scott "Make sure you don't allow the skier to pull you to the left as they make the initial pullout" EXACTLY! I see soooo many drivers who line up on the right and "let the skier pull them left" on the pullout. Can we stop this nonsense!? I want a solid connection on the gate pullout, I don't want to drag the boat left. Just line up straight and hold it there during the pullout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller PatM Posted November 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2020 @SlalomSteve If you have enough room try to pull the skier up from a side pointing towards shore as much as you can. Giving you enough room to get setup straight for the course. This helps with the bow rollers. Unfortunately for us in the Northeast most of the sites are too tight to do this and have to go straight in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Slalom.Steve Posted November 2, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted November 2, 2020 cool, thanks. I didn't realize coming out of the hole throws a wave "forward" from the boat. If the boat comes out angled away from the course though, doesn't that then create a "regular wake" roller that goes from the side of the boat towards/down the course (like what happens if you cut across a course perpendicular to it)? so much to learn lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jcamp Posted November 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2020 @AdamCord I must admit that for a bit I thought this was the way to do things because I was taught it at the driver's clinic I attended! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller klindy Posted November 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2020 @SlalomSteve Not that much of an angle - less than a 45 degree angle. Imagine starting just outside the 1,3,5 (or 2,4,6) buoys and aim to be straight before the green buoys. The goal is to essentially split the difference between a stern roller heading straight down the boat path and the regular wake heading off at just less than perpendicular from the boat path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chad_Scott Posted November 2, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2020 @AdamCord my pet peeve as well I watch too many end course videos of drivers not ready at the pregates and they end up getting straight and finding center while the skier is in the glide. Result- kills the skiers glide and width. This also tends to cause too much movement with the boat between the entrance gates and one ball which can result in a negative swing with the skier I find myself actually slightly left as I approach the pregates and driving to the center as you are pulling out providing a post to move out against Once you reach the top of the pull out I have drive to the center and can just sit quietly as the skier picks the spot to turn in and approach one ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted November 2, 2020 Gold Member Share Posted November 2, 2020 @AdamCord @jcamp So you mean people are doing that on purpose!? Easy to understand as a subtle error, but "surely" we all know that if you want to whip somebody up on rhe boat (e.g. to drop) that you have to pull AWAY from them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller hemlock Posted November 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2020 @ROBOT , Thanks so much for sharing! Great article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ProStah_Skiah Posted November 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2020 Great article! How about some more thoughts on raising one's driving game from "1) driving a straight boat path through the center of the course [to]; 2) driving it straight and in tolerance, however having a priority on making it feel good for the skier"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted November 3, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted November 3, 2020 Great article, as noted always great to see info pertaining to behind the wheel part of the sport. No matter the level of the skier, having a driver provide a great & safe pull experience, be courteous to the rest of the lake users and water conditions is priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Keith_Menard Posted November 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2020 I thought it would be cool to ride with Chad Scott...after this article...no way! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chad_Scott Posted November 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2020 @"Keith Menard" wow what did I say that changed your mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted November 3, 2020 Gold Member Share Posted November 3, 2020 I've got 50 cents on country music being the problem. Some folks 'round these parts can't stand it. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chad_Scott Posted November 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2020 Haha. I can turn it down lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Keith_Menard Posted November 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2020 @Chad_Scott :) We shared a lake house for a couple seasons with some friends...Florida Georgia line nearly crushed my will to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chad_Scott Posted November 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2020 Well that’s not country lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Broussard Posted November 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2020 I think @Chad_Scott needs to host a clinic on driving slalom, country music, and whiskey. Register now, it will fill up quickly. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lkb Posted November 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2020 Have some Goode’s to demo too and I’m in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted November 3, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted November 3, 2020 Ditch the country music and it will be fun. If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chad_Scott Posted November 3, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 3, 2020 @Broussard I am in. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Keith_Menard Posted November 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 4, 2020 @Broussard Mix in some bourbon and maybe even the mysterious in-tow gloves... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Broussard Posted November 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 4, 2020 @"Keith Menard" Bourbon is just a subset of whisky that is distilled from at least 51% corn, so I don't see why that wouldn't be included. As for the in-tow gloves... I can not confirm nor deny if they will be part of the program . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted November 4, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted November 4, 2020 1. I have attended one driver clinic total that actually involved getting in a boat. 2. If you really want to improve your driving, get your ski buddies to chip in and buy Sure Path. You will learn a lot about driving in a short amount of time. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chad_Scott Posted November 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 4, 2020 @lpskier You are right about that get in the boat and get one of the boat tracking devices because they sure do not lie, they will let you know how you are doing pretty quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikegile Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 Totally agree with Surepath helping your driving. I had a chance to use it recently and although I was doing most things "right", and it felt good from the boat, it was easy to see that everything was late. After just a few passes it was a pretty easy correction. I'm in on the clinic on driving slalom, country music, and whiskey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller coach3 Posted November 13, 2020 Baller Share Posted November 13, 2020 Drivers should resist a skier from beginning to end, similar to an airplane adjusting for cross wind; but our "cross wind" changes from side to side. A driver should know what foot forward a skier is, feel them in early passes, and watch them from the shore if possible, to gain predictability of the coming "cross winds". Pulling Nate vs KLP are two different drives for example. With a GPS tracker on the pylon, we tracked straightness so to speak with KLP twice. Once just trying to keep the boat dead straight, and the other working the skier with predicted pull or "cross wind" and feel. The boat was straighter working with the skier, and it was better for the skier. If a skier pulls long and is late, you have to "wait on them" before the load occurs. This also helps keep the boat straight. Just one test but resisting and feeling the skier gives good results for boat path and skier experience in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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