Baller disland Posted January 28, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 28, 2020 Are any Pros using the new plus? if not why? it was supposed to be great, but seems to have lost the excitement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DavidN Posted January 28, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 28, 2020 Can anyone explain what the plus-setting exactly does? I tried a few settings with the + last year and couldn’t really feel an advantage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jhughes Posted January 28, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 28, 2020 I don't know any pros that use it and I've heard me some numbers and letters over the past year from that level of skier. Â Most of the normal skiers I ski with (not pros) like it at 34mph and longer lines but I do not use it personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted January 28, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 28, 2020 Nick Parson's uses Plus !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted January 28, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted January 28, 2020 I have rev s with new plus. It is not for those who get on and off the the handle through the load process. If you are a upper body mover you probably will get pulled out of your body position. Bigger skiers that can maintain good load position it should be beneficial. It does come into the course a couple .10s faster then the other standard settings. Just another 6 settings, If it fits wear it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin1980 Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 On version R the plus setting would come into the course 1.6% faster than the set speed. In version S the plus setting comes into the course at 0.75% faster than the set speed which is exactly the same speed it comes into the course without the plus setting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted January 28, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted January 28, 2020 @Gloersen Translate from the Swedish, please. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted January 29, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 29, 2020 @lpskier @Gloersen Pretty sure the above is Norwegian. Sounds kind of familiar but I don't understand one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted January 29, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 29, 2020 My head just exploded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 29, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted January 29, 2020 I have my connections at ZO working on a single setting system that feels good on all boats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller HSL Posted January 29, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 29, 2020 So....@Glorsen, yes, I'm dazzled by the sheer weight and volume of the text above. But a response that included an answer to the questions asked would be even more dazzling: What does the "+" setting in Rev S do differently that the "+" setting in Rev R. We understand that the Rev S + gate speed as been reduced to be the same as "slalom normal" mode -- so skiers will not enter the course at an unfamiliar/faster speed generated with the Rev R + setting. But please explain "Modified Master gains to - RS_Kp 4.0 / RS_Ki 2.5". Â You've defined and provided Rev S values for Kp and Ki above -- but you don't provide the Rev R values or explain how the Rev S modification affects engine rpm and/or boat speed as compared to Rev R. Â For what its worth, I can explain what I "feel" when using Rev S "+": The boat is always "right there". I dont feel it gassing me at highest loading into the center line. And I dont feel it backing off rpms as my resistance to the boat decreases. This seems odd because the boat driver hears very quick and aggressive changes to engine rpm while I feel just a constant/consistent - pull. This is great when I'm strong, smooth and controlled. It translates to a great pull. But any mistakes resulting in to much tip grab or tail slide seem to be a lot more difficult to fight through. The boat wins. Anyway, all kidding aside, if you have a explanation of the difference between Rev R + and Rev S +, I'd really appreciate it. Â I know Horton and others have taken a crack at explaining the modification in a different thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JackQ Posted January 29, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 29, 2020 What feels good for one will likely not be what another wants. Having similar performance between boats with different engine options, wetted surface areas and weight would be a miracle in of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted January 29, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 29, 2020 Now I get it, this thread is a joke right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ lpskier Posted January 29, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted January 29, 2020 Now I know why I majored in history and English. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golson Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I went from 10 years on C2 to A1+ after a suggestion from a pro skier. Instantly I starting skiing better and having consistently higher scores in practice. Time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted January 30, 2020 Author Baller Share Posted January 30, 2020 @golson does your pro skier coach use it for himself? If not why? is it not as effective at 36 short line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCM Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 @Gloersen - are you suggesting that the A/B/C/1/2/3/+ would correspond to one of the K variables in your equation? Maybe the letter is Kp and number is Ki? If so, I may have reached peak nerd and that might be the best description I have read regarding how the letters/numbers work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Than_Bogan Posted January 30, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 30, 2020 Peak Nerd is a myth. It's always possible to be nerdier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ghutch Posted January 30, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 30, 2020 AND....... what about ZO's response in different boats? 6.0 vs 6.2. vs etc, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted January 30, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 30, 2020 Even though I don't ski in tournaments anymore, I like to have a decent boat for friends I ski with that do. Â Just FYI:Â Rev S needs the new Puck in order to work, so if you are like me, running dual old Pucks on a 2007SN with Rev R, you need to change to the new Puck and the upgrade. The new 3-Event ZO Puck and harness is $450 and the S Upgrade is $50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 30, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted January 30, 2020 Wait on the upgrades. My sources are saying new system out soon that has 1 setting. Supposed to feel better then @THarrington hand driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller markn Posted January 30, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 30, 2020 Are you serious about a 1 setting ZO?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted January 30, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 30, 2020 @The_MS Hold off Bud, it's not April for a couple more months! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted January 31, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted January 31, 2020 A 1 setting system would actually require some yearly R@D and some testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted January 31, 2020 Baller Share Posted January 31, 2020 Our V-164 had one setting for 36mph slalom, wide open. http://www.classicglastron.com/70gl-v163-164.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted February 1, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 1, 2020 @Than_Bogan, it not a myth, it is a path... For the enlightened... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted February 9, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted February 9, 2020 Rev S in plus RevS no plus. Both photos at entry gates! Very repeatable. Rev S in plus mode does come into course three tenths faster then regular SÂ Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ski6jones Posted February 9, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 9, 2020 @Jody_Seal three hundredths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted February 9, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted February 9, 2020 Three 10ths of a mile an hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted February 10, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2020 If I'm reading the segment times correctly, Jillian gets smoked the first half of the course using + and gets a bit slower ride the last half. Is that an advantage?? It may be if she got in trouble the first half and needs a little slower second half to run the pass. Of course, perhaps she got in trouble in the first half because she was getting smoked. All segment times are in tolerance using + and not using +. End course times are identical - both a little hot. I wonder if Jillian is 100 lbs. or lighter. Based purely on segment times, it would appear to me that Jillian is better off not using +. Or is my thinking incorrect? Which does Jillian prefer? Obviously, both pulls are legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller markn Posted February 10, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2020 Initially I too drew the same conclusion, but Jody indicated this screen shot was coming into the course. The times may have been on the previous pass? When I use +, I get a 7:14 2 ball time and a 16:95 end. On no plus, get a 7:15 2 ball with a 16:95. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted February 10, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2020 @Jody_Seal We’re these pics with skier in tow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted February 10, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted February 10, 2020 Nope base line no skier and mark hit it on the head times are previous run times. Just goes to show that there are different ways of approaching the course. Like I said in a previous post if you are a bigger skier that can maintain a good strong position behind the boat this plus setting may work with out getting ripped out by 450 hp at the gate! Of course dont get behind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted February 11, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted February 11, 2020 Ok, I'm confused. The posts by @Jody_Seal and @Gloersen seem to directly conflict. I know Rev R + came in significantly faster than 'normal' and thought Rev S still came in slightly faster than 'normal', but not as fast as Rev R. The advantage of coming in slightly fast is that the speed control won't have to apply as much throttle to keep the speed from dropping way down, i.e. the stronger/heavier skier won't get hammered as much as the boat coming in only a tenth or 2 hot. FWIW, I use C1+, but its not quite as good as plain ole trick mode. I may have to try this experiment once the water warms up. If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted February 12, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 12, 2020 @ALPJr - I started slalom and jump behind a '74 Glastron tri-hull open bow with a Chrysler 130 hp outboard, so I can relate. The Santa Clara County Water Ski Club begrudgingly let my family join in 1976 with that boat (they really wanted us to have a Nautique or MC) and the most amazing thing to me is that my dad, with zero course or jump driving experience, and driving that dang boat, pulled me up through 36 mph long line and to jumps of about 120 feet. We didn't know any better at the time. Ignorance really is bliss sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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