Administrators Horton Posted October 27, 2019 Administrators Share Posted October 27, 2019 As a prank I moved the balls in on my course about 6”. It was a bit of a quick and dirty adjustment so some of the balls were moved less and some more. I was hoping @rico would ski out of his mind on the narrow balls not knowing what I had done. We both skied well on the narrow balls but not abnormally well. My theory is that unless you are a pro level skier – the balls at 6” or 9” narrow is nowhere near as big of a deal as a rope 6” or 9” long. Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabeej20 Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 I concur, we put a floating course in this fall that we figured was a little narrow. Not sure how much. I’d guess 9”-12”, but we didn’t run any fantastic scores on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BlueSki Posted October 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted October 27, 2019 Our course had a bend that made the journey from 4 to 5 too long. Skiing was much easier, smoother, and symmetrical, after we we fixed it. The fix was was more noticeable than the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted October 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted October 27, 2019 Dr. John should be banned and relocated to Wisconsin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jercrane Posted October 27, 2019 Share Posted October 27, 2019 On a related note our floating course after lake level drops I find extremely hard to ski unless you pull the anchors taught even with no wind bowing it. Like I can barely run opener. My theory is the lines sag and the buoys move closer down course. So it’s interesting the outboard distance affects only mildly given how much this change effects things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Mateo_Vargas Posted October 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted October 27, 2019 Now I'm not so bummed that there wasn't time to ski with you yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted October 27, 2019 Baller Share Posted October 27, 2019 I dunno...we used to ski a portable where the arms boughed a bit thus narrowing the course. I felt it was stupid easy. My max score was not tons higher...I got 4 @39 vs 2.5 @39 on an accurate course on ZO. Having said that, I ran on that narrow course 38 every time...easily back to backing it and 35 off was like some sort of joke could have been my opener. On an accurate course a successful 38 for me was a 10-15% possibility. Maybe someone with a physics background could make sense of the differences between narrow buoys vs. slightly longer rope. Both obviously make it easier, the question is which has the larger impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddF Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 @horton move them 6 inches further away and report back, I don't think you will feel the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Than_Bogan Posted October 28, 2019 Baller Share Posted October 28, 2019 Your result is very surprising to me. I have every reason to believe that moving the buoys in by a given amount is a MUCH bigger deal than lengthening the rope by that same amount. Because of the trigonometry, shortening the distance to the buoy has a larger effect on the rope angle that must be achieved AND it reduces the actual distance that must be traveled. Is it possible that you just need a little time to get used to it and allow yourself to run the narrower path? ToddF's suggestion is probably easier. With the buoys wider, you won't have the possibility of just running your normal path even though you don't actually have to, and I conjecture you'll find it dramatically harder. But I'd sure be intrigued if you don't!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewski Posted October 28, 2019 Share Posted October 28, 2019 Should try 8" wider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MISkier Posted October 29, 2019 Baller Share Posted October 29, 2019 Pull them down by 6". You'll be amazed at how easy it is. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rico Posted October 29, 2019 Baller Share Posted October 29, 2019 To be fair I think 4 buoys out of 6 were pretty much at the right spot. I also agree with the fact that while the buoys have moved, I still had the same swing and timing I am used to. Short rope, regardless of the buoys being a few inches inside or not, make the whole rhythm more intense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CollinSpradlin Posted October 30, 2019 Share Posted October 30, 2019 @Horton You called it your Euro course didn't you??? smh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 30, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted October 30, 2019 :-) Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members pcmcon729 Posted October 30, 2019 Members Share Posted October 30, 2019 I bought a boat lift from a guy years ago. He offered to pull me through his floating type course when I was there. As it turns out, it was 8-12" narrow. It was a total shit show for me. I missed my opener, shortened anyhow, and missed -28 3 times in a row. Hadn't missed that line length in 10 years prior! Funny part was that he always bragged that his kid could run crazy line lengths, but never ran his opener in tournaments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted October 30, 2019 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2019 Moving your balls 6 inches in any direction would be more than just a little uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 30, 2019 Author Administrators Share Posted October 30, 2019 @pcmcon729 and people wonder why I dismiss big practice scores... Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted February 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 4, 2020 Had one of my balls on the wrong side of the mtb seat today! Made for a long ride! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swaterkd Posted February 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 4, 2020 I have a friend i ski with and he has a floating course. You can drive by the course in a car and see the pipes are bent from current on one side of the course sometimes 10'. It makes distance between bouys wrong and messes me up so bad. He runs great on it. The sad part is he runs just as good in tournaments. fyi he is a pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 2Valve Posted February 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 4, 2020 there once was a dentist........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ adamhcaldwell Posted February 4, 2020 Baller_ Share Posted February 4, 2020 Maybe this is just more proof that this sport is more mental then anything else!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuskokaKy Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 @CollinSpradlin i am quite positive your amazing comment ACTUALLY made @horton smile. I know i did. good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lpskier Posted February 4, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 4, 2020 @horton If you were trying to learn a new pass, and assuming it was just as easy to set up either, would you say that it would be better to move in the buoys or to length the rope, say 6 inches whichever choice you make. And once you make that choice, would that choice be better or slowing the boat down say three clicks? Six clicks? Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rico Posted February 5, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 5, 2020 I think having a slightly longer rope (between 2 sections). For me (I am heavy at 210lbs wish) slowing the boat makes it harder to swing out and glide... The problem with pulling the buoys in is that we are so formatted to the regular side that we still turn where the normal buoy should be instead of adjusting to the new location... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 5, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted February 5, 2020 @rico when I did it last year I was in a hurry and as you know the buoys may not have moved as far as we had hoped. all those buckets are still on the bottom of the lake so when we really get cranking this summer we're going to have to try it again. Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rico Posted February 6, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 6, 2020 They have to be moved 5 feet outside the buoy line for Cole's first set back... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller paul Posted February 8, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 8, 2020 I built a portable course awhile back and screwed up the length of the triangle due to a bad calc. I think it ended up being 12” short between each section. It was nearly impossible to ski. Your turns had to be so quick. Pretty much everyone could run only one pass or two at the most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller hammerski Posted February 9, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 9, 2020 Back in my men 2 days, I had just gotten a new Schnitz fin. I was vacationing on a houseboat and my buddy and I found a course to ski on. Went down the line ran 38, then ran 39. I praised the heavens that I FINALLY found the secrets sauce. Then my buddy skied, a 2@35 skier, ran 38... Measured the course, almost 2 feet narrow ? I skied better with the fin, just not that good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Zman Posted February 10, 2020 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2020 Hard to believe 12 inches less between buoys, out of 134 feet, 6 inches makes that big a difference. Maybe at extreme shortline. Not where I am at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 10, 2020 Author Administrators Share Posted February 10, 2020 @Zman distance from Ball to Ball is not really nearly as critical as course width. From center line to the ball is 37' 8 3/4". Changing the width of the course makes a huge difference. Remember that the difference between 38 off and 39 1/2 off is about 19 1/2inches or 1/2 meter. For a skier like me that 19" might as well be a million miles. Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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