Baller ROBOT Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 The Vapor name has become synonymous with balance and speed. As we moved to our 2020 shape, we simply wanted to build on the foundation we had created. The overall width of the ski has been decreased in an effort to create more efficient water flow and allow the ski to have a more level ride. Rocker was modified to increase the drive behind the boat and allow the ski to create more angle before the buoy. Lastly, we increased the concave and let it run through the tail of the ski to give more support and consistency at the apex of the turn. All these simple changes allowed us to build a ski that is faster than its predecessor, has more automatic turns, and gives a truly consistent ride from turn to turn. You have to ski this thing, welcome to 2020 Vapor.Shape:The overall max width of the ski was reduced slightly for 2020. The width reduction in the area forward of your front foot allows the ski tip to ride lower while on plane. This gives the ski a more level riding attack angle which makes the ski more efficient through the water and makes it easier for the skier to engage the front half of the ski for tighter, more predictable turns.Rocker:The rocker line has been lowered under your feet in this new shape. This increases the sweet spot, inspiring confidence to push the limits with more predictable results. The new rocker gives the ski more drive side to side, allowing the skier to hold more angle from the finish of the turn to the centerline. It also allows the skier to start initiating the turn in a more level and controlled attack angle. Essentially, the tip of the ski can initiate earlier and there is a larger sweet spot to base your turns from. The increased tip engagement allows the tip to override the tail more, which results in more ski rotation prior to the buoy. The more the ski can be turned before the buoy, the earlier the skier can start to accelerate out of the buoy.Concave: For 2020 Vapor, the concave was increased in the back 1/3 of the ski and now runs out the tail. This allows the ski to harness more water under the back of the ski and creates a higher riding tail that feels more supportive at the finish of the turn. The ski is faster as a result but without that loose, slippery feel. Bevels:The Vapor features a hybrid bevel which allows us to get the best things from both a round and a sharp bevel. This lets the ski roll from edge to edge considerably smoother while also producing a more dynamic range of turn shapes. Ultimately, these bevels help create a ski that holds maximum angle side to side, rolls from edge to edge at a very predictable and confidence inspiring rate and is super forgiving for more ability to crank turns when you need them.Thickness:The max thickness of the ski has been lowered through the middle. By reducing the sidewall, the ski is able to sit deeper in the water, allowing for a more secure feeling to the skier with more feedback from the water.Available in: 63.5, 65, 66, 67, 68, 69.5https://radarskis.com/2020vapor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JC McCavit Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 Any non-pro skiers had a chance to ride the new 2020 Vapor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted August 1, 2019 Administrators Share Posted August 1, 2019 @JC McCavit I doubt many non-team skiers have ridden it. I can tell you that the only time I ever driven a skier into 41 off at 36 mph he was on a 2020 Vapor. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bishop8950 Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 If @Horton pulled @ColeGiacopuzzi into 41, he would have run it behind a good driver :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 I have seen a few NW skiers on them the ski has a 2019 graphic but when watching skiers there is a noticeable difference. the new ski has a lot more ski in the water at the ball and in the pull. I saw one in Dec at a secret location. and I Said I cant wait to get my hands on one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 I will ride mine today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Onside135 Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 They need to bring back the RS-1 bindings for that ski! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller APB Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 i rode 3 sets on a 67" 3 weeks ago at radar. 28", 32's and a bit of 35. it was nice. got one coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 The question is will this thread surpass the views of the 2016 Vapor thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ALPJr Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 Please keep the boots black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swerve200 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Does the new ski need one of the custom 3rd party fins or is it good to go stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ballsohard Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 @APB what felt different about it compared to the 2018/19? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JaredSmith Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 Question, does a increased concave in general make a ski faster or slower? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 Just thinking of aerodynamic properties I would think it would be faster as it accelerates the flow of fluid through the concave tunnel. Isn’t this the direction the new Denali C75 went? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted August 1, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 1, 2019 I’ve been on it Believe the hype this ski rips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ryota Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 Let’s take a vote Ballers! Gold or Silver! Like= Gold Awesome= Silver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pregom Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 Is this ski ripping at 36 mph or also at lower speeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller APB Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 @ballsohard def noticed that it sat deeper. I can’t wait to ride my new one at home. Like I say only 3 sets... look forward to more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 @pregom I ski at 34 After a couple sets Rossi said Your turning the crap out of that ski It’s fast sits flatter on the water and the whole ski engages out of the turn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 First set on mine tonight, that’s a fun ski! Came off a 19 ProBuild. Big things that popped out was how it turned smoother and how level it rides, every where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 Question...Since they narrowed the ski and reduced the surface area, should we now consider going to the next larger size. ie: if you were on a 67" should you now go to a 68". How much difference does this change make ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ballsohard Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 @Ed_Johnson Jamie Calhoun sized down from a 67" to a 66" so I'm not sure what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller UWSkier Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 I like the concept of a flatter-running ski. As someone who is in a lifelong struggle to learn to move up and stay up on my ski, this seems like it'd help in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jeromezz430 Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 @Horton will you review the 2020 Vapor ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tony Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 Does anyone know how or if the 2020 compares to the 2016? That ski worked well for me. Buoy count dropped on the 18 and 19 pro built. From 2-3 @ 38 to barely running 35. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LOTW Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 I still struggle with my '18, love my '17. I've had 4 VAP'S now and poised for a 5th but how about a new name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted August 2, 2019 Gold Member Share Posted August 2, 2019 @Ryota As a certified Points Whore, I can't believe I never thought of that trick!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 I’ve had every vapor. Comparing the 16 to the 2020 (1 set so far).... The 2020 feels more secure/planted by staying level more. The construction difference alone is a big change.... the 2020 has different core, carbon and innegra added... it is a much smoother, damper ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Keith_Menard Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 Can I start a petition to get the windows back for 2021? Oh...right, I forgot...I am the only one who liked those :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted August 2, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 2, 2019 @"Keith Menard" .... The great thing about the windows was that you knew you had the Max Amount of Forward COM lean when you could look through the windows and see the boat !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dnewton Posted August 3, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2019 @"Keith Menard" I also loved the windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller pregom Posted August 3, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2019 @Than_Bogan does it mean he is a trick skier? :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller paul413ski Posted August 3, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2019 Fin and binding settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rq0013 Posted August 3, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2019 Settings are on the 2020 vapor page of the website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golson Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 If it’s as good as the 2016 or better I’m buying one. The last few years I’ve been unimpressed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ballsohard Posted August 3, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2019 @Golson out of curiosity what did you not like about the 2018 shape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted August 3, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2019 @Golson... You may have a point. My main ski partner, Zack Meyers, has been on his 16 since they came out. Every year he has tried a new demo, and totally prefers his 16. He runs back to back 38's every set and a few 39's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted August 3, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2019 I got a panda for this kind of talk which is ridiculous. The 16 was the best ski until hopefully now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golson Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 @ballsohard PM sent. @Ed_Johnson I’m feeling the same thing. 4@38 tourney average on the ‘16. Struggled to run 35’ consistently on ‘17-19. One can dream for great 2020 build.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kroeks Posted August 3, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2019 I guess this just goes to show how individual the choice of ski can be. I demo'd a handful of skis before my last purchase (which were all really nice, to be fair) but the 2018 Vapor was the clear winner. The honeymoon is well into its second year with no signs of slowing down, so it's hard for me to imagine someone being dissatisfied with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bdecker Posted August 3, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2019 Love my 2018 and anxious to get my 2020 soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ballsohard Posted August 3, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2019 @Kroeks I also absolutely love my 2018 Vapor Probuild, I guess that it suits some styles especially well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted August 3, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 3, 2019 I have heard by a very reputable source that the 2020 has some characteristics of the 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterskicompany Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller paul413ski Posted August 4, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2019 Love the 18 who knows with the 20 Fin settings anyone . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ryota Posted August 4, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2019 2020 Vapor Fin Number Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller phauswirth Posted August 4, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2019 Is there a size chart for the 2020 has it changed from the 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller theboardingschool Posted August 4, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2019 I just got back from Radar and picked up a new 66". I was on a 2019 66" and definitely can say that I would not want anything bigger. I haven't skied much this summer since my boy @fwinter has been gone, but with just 2 sets on it I can say that I really like it. Really excited to have it back home and get to work. I can give a real evaluation on it later this week after using at TBS and feeling a little fresher than I do after standing around that camp fire until 2am every night. And, if gold is an option, I always pick it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller paul413ski Posted August 4, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2019 @Ryota thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller JaredSmith Posted August 4, 2019 Baller Share Posted August 4, 2019 @Chris Rossi @brooks How much less surface area does the 2020 Vapor have compared to the 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now