Baller Keith_Menard Posted June 19, 2019 Baller Share Posted June 19, 2019 a few years ago I did an INT tourny, it was so welcoming...so simple. Well, I talked my family into doing a mini vacation to Vermont for the Tom Costello Alan Rossi VT Champs. I thought...hey my wife and son can do the grass roots thing, get a couple runs in, we can get some great beer and I can run the... WTH!?! M4? OM? MM? GR? Class C? Oh, well, I am sure its easy to find the answer right? Let's see...rule book...page 8...ahh simple, I am an M4...but wait 'As to qualification for Open Men, Open Women and Masters divisions, see Rule 3.03. ' Ok...lets see, Rule 3.03....3.03 Elite Division Competition...ok, guess we can skip that. But what about grass roots, should I do that...hmmm... Scores for inclusion in the ranking list may be obtained in any sanctioned tournament, in any of the first three rounds (see Rule 1.02), or first four rounds (see Rule 1.09C). Exceptions include certain instances in elimination based competitions (see 13.02). A class F (Grass Roots) score above zero may be included in the Ranking calculations if it does not exceed the Level 5 Cut-Off Average from the previous Ski Year Rankings. Those class F scores which “exceed” the Level 5 Cut-Off Average from the previous Ski Year Rankings may be included but the score will be reduced to equal the Level 5 Cut Off Average for the purposes of inclusion in the Rankings calculations. Scores for inclusion in the ranking list cannot be obtained in a run-off of a tie. Performances accomplished at a multi-round tournament shall be credited as one tournament only. Wow...I...ummm...wow. I think I will just stick with the beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aupatking Posted June 19, 2019 Baller Share Posted June 19, 2019 Your example is wildly confusing, which I’m guessing is the point. I’m wondering, on the imperial vs metric question, why are we measuring fins in imperial? 6.9625 is 176.85 simpler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gregy Posted June 19, 2019 Baller Share Posted June 19, 2019 I liked Horten's tournaments. Lot of fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted June 19, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted June 19, 2019 @"Keith Menard" what ZO setting do you use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted June 19, 2019 Baller_ Share Posted June 19, 2019 @MS, the setting preference will probably depend on the boat and engine combination. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted June 19, 2019 Administrators Share Posted June 19, 2019 @"Keith Menard" show me a long established international sport with a simple rulebook. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes ★ Baller Video Coaching System Become a Supporting Member or make a One-time Donation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller PatM Posted June 19, 2019 Baller Share Posted June 19, 2019 The Vermont tournament is always welcoming to skiers of all levels. So whatever you decide you will have a great time there. And yes great beer is around the corner. There is no easy way to be inclusive to all skiing levels. Just ski what you ski at a tournament, enjoy it, you are the only one that cares how you do. The INT may have been fun but good luck finding a INT tournament now. But you still have 30+ year running AWSA class C or R tournaments still going strong. Go figure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted June 19, 2019 Baller Share Posted June 19, 2019 3.02 Divisions A. Competition for the three major events shall be separated into the following divisions as determined by the contestant’s age. The “ski year” shall begin on the day after the conclusion of the Nationals, and shall end on the final day of the following Nationals. The contestant’s age on December 31 of the ski year shall determine his division for the entire ski year. For example, if a skier's birthday within the "ski year" could result in an age division change and his birthday is between the day after the conclusion of Nationals and December 31 inclusive of that "ski year", he will ski in the older division, beginning the day after Nationals. Otherwise, he will remain in the younger division for one more season concluding with the end of the following Nationals. Age Division Age Boys 1/Girls 1 9 years and under Boys 2/Girls 2 (Boys 2/Girls 2)* 11 years and under Boys 2/Girls 2 (Boys 3/Girls 3)* 13 years and under Boys 3/Girls 3 (Boys 4/Girls 4)* 17 years and under Men 1/Women 1 18 - 24 years inclusive Men 2/Women 2 25 - 34 years inclusive Men 3/Women 3 35 - 44 years inclusive Men 4/Women 4 45 - 54 years inclusive Men 5/Women 5 55 - 59 years inclusive Men 6/Women 6 60 - 64 years inclusive Men 7/Women 7 65 - 69 years inclusive Men 8/Women 8 70 - 74 years inclusive Men 9/Women 9 75 - 79 years inclusive Men 10/Women 10 80 – 84 years inclusive Men 11/Women 11 85 and over Elite Divisions Open Men/Open Women any age Masters Men/Masters Women 35 and over *All division and speed changes take effect after 2019 Nationals. Page 8 of the AWSA rule book, pretty clear to me. INT Slalom Divisions Men’s Novice – 14 & over – never made a full pass Women’s Novice – 14 & over Junior Novice – 13 & under Junior 4th Class – 13 & under max speed 28 mph 4th Class – max speed 28 mph 15 off line length 3rd Class – max speed 30 mph 15 off line length 2nd Class – max speed 32 mph 15 off line length 1st Class – max speed 34 mph 15 off line length Advanced – men 35 & over and all women, max 22 off @ 34 mph Advanced Open – men 35 & over and all women 28 & 32 off @34 mph Advanced Super Open – men 35 & over and all women, 35 off & shorter @ 34 mph Junior Expert – 13 & under, working on 22 off @ max 34 mph (Must meet qualifications (see rulebook for more details) Expert – men 14-34, max 22 off @ 36 mph Open – men 14-34, 28 off & up @ 36 mph Super Open – men 14-34, 35 off & shorter @ 36 mph Wide Ski Ride Fun – max 28 off @ 30 mph Wide Ski Ride Super Fun – 32 off & up @30 mph Wide Ski Ride Open – 38 off & up @30 mph Men’s Pro Division – Special Pricing Women’s Pro Division – Special Pricing Hmmm, a rule book? What? Let's see... Event scoring, Bonus points, Bumping, Sand Bagging... Bumping At the maximum speed in your division, there is an automatic bump ball that will move you into the next division. Only Mr. Judge (the INT software program) will know which ball that is. The criteria that Mr. Judge takes into consideration are: the total number of events, number of events you have competed in, the number of events left in the schedule, and your past performance. A skier may bump without making a complete pass. • When you bump into a new division, after your first event, you will be awarded the points in your new division. • Once a skier enters an event they will remain in the same division for the entire event. The skier will receive a score and points in their new division based upon their best performance of the event. The skier will enter the next event in their new division. Some mystery formula bumps me around? Hmmm.... And what's this Special Pricing? Hmmm, pretty complicated. Seems running a competitive sport isn't all that clear cut. Sunshine Marketing has done well over the years with INT. A club I was in put on one of the original tournaments in WA State back in the day, Rick and Larry came to us, and more I won't go into. INT is different but not necessarily better than AWSA. I prefer AWSA. No need for war between the two. Twist on War Games: The only winning move is to play. How about an nice tournament, INT or AWSA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RAWSki Posted June 20, 2019 Baller Share Posted June 20, 2019 My head hurts. I need another beer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RAWSki Posted June 20, 2019 Baller Share Posted June 20, 2019 I am curious if anyone can explain why Men 3-4 ski 34 while Open men are at 36mph...... But women 3-4 ski at 34 as well, which is the same speed as Open Women?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted June 20, 2019 Baller Share Posted June 20, 2019 Cuz guys buy more stuff and we want to feel better about running more buoys.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted June 20, 2019 Baller Share Posted June 20, 2019 I've long ranted about men staying 36 until late in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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