Members Fehlindra Posted May 16, 2019 Members Share Posted May 16, 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetpilotg4 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Pretty pathetic wouldn’t you say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando76 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 Less women paying into it. Less competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom351 Posted May 16, 2019 Share Posted May 16, 2019 To expand on @Orlando76 ...$200 entry fee, 18 entries in men's slalom. 11 entries in womens. $3600 vs $2200 collected in entry fees.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted May 16, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 16, 2019 Also it slalom has been a very Male dominated sport for years. Some great female athletes for sure but when you look at the membership of many "clubs"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Gar Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 Too little for Men and Women Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 Only solution is participation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef23 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Payout comes largely from entry fees. More entree fees lead to larger purses for the men. Not really fair to have the men cross subsidize the women. Regarding the size of the checks not enough eyes for sponsors that drive up purses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 I,ll take the two thousand dollars ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller AdamCord Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 I can understand the payout difference between men and women at a tournament like the Swiss Pro where much of the money comes from entry fees, but what about a tournament like the Masters? The same number of men and women compete, and most of the money is coming from sponsors: This is from 2018, couldn't find 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ScottScott Posted May 17, 2019 Members Share Posted May 17, 2019 Its across the board in pretty much any sport. Mens divisions/leagues/etc that have any pay out, pay more than women. In televised sports (Golf, Pro Basketball being prime examples) the ratings for the men's competitions is much higher than the women's. From that perspective, its right that it pays more. Higher draw gets higher pay. There's just more public interest in the mens compititions. I think we are a little more balanced in interest between men skiers and women skiers. There's a lot of great skiing from the women, and even on BOS I think there is about as much interest and conversation regarding Ragina, Whitney and Manon as the top men. I would be interested to see how the benefits from Malibu compare between say Will Asher and Ragina or other similar sponsorships. I would think the webcasts can be tracked to see when there is more viewing between the men and women divisions. The reality is tho that the men are skiing 36mph and into 43 off, where the women are at 34mph and getting into 41. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom351 Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 At an event like the Masters I would imagine that the prize distribution is similar to how the attendance distribution would look if tickets were purchased for each individual event. If it were simple "gender discrimination" they would payout more for men's tricks than women's slalom or jump- but women's jump and slalom payout more than men's tricks because those events drive more attendance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 Banging the Drum for equality, when it suits some people, let them compete at 36mph and against the men then. The the prize money would be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_MS Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 I would boycott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 Feel free to host your own event and payout whatever you like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 In BMX, UCI(the international organization of cycling) mandated that all of it's federations(IE USABMX and other national orgs) pay women the same as men in 2018. Regardless of if the women had half the entries or less. Guess what happened...... the purses for both plummeted. And guess what followed...... entries plummeted. Beware of what you ask for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bruce_Butterfield Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 This may come as a surprise to some, but men and women have different levels of physical ability and athleticism. In general, men perform to higher levels in most sports and are more exciting to watch. Yes, many women's sports are fun and exciting to watch, but typically less so than men's versions. Why would it surprise anyone that the payouts are different for differing skill levels? Quote If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 Before anyone calls me names (misoginist comes to mind) @Bruce_Butterfield is right. Now, if we were talking about business administrator, system analyst or burger flipper, pay should be the same. Jethro comes to mind. Just can't decide on a career, brain surgeon or fry cook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcamp Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Events can rightfully so justify different payouts when entry fees fund a large portion of can-prize pool and one gender has more entrants than the other. But paying more to men because "men are better," well, that's a quite bit more tenuous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 FIS Alpine Skiing World Cup paid out more to Mikaela Shiffrin this year (by quite a bit) than the top man, Marcel Hirscher. Of course, Mikaela had a historically great season, and I would pay her more, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewbrown Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 Exactly what @Bruce_Butterfield said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dvskier Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 @jimbrake Mikaela is also an owner at Ikon which will reap huge dividends going forward. At 23 her earning potential is tremendous and will eclipse Lindsay Vonn. She’s in the right sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddF Posted May 17, 2019 Share Posted May 17, 2019 This horse is one tough sob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted May 17, 2019 Administrators Share Posted May 17, 2019 Equal Pay at the NorCal MasterCraft BallOfSpray Cash Prize Quote Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalogo ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 @dvskier - well I just bought a couple of season passes from her, then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skiinxs Posted May 17, 2019 Members Share Posted May 17, 2019 I think all need an extra couple zeros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dvskier Posted May 17, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 17, 2019 @jimbrake. I work for Vail and I bought a ikon pass and I get a free Epic pass. Want to hit Utah for spring skiing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Stevie Boy Posted May 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 18, 2019 So how about a Womens Series similar to the Big Dawg, with maybe the opportunity to draw in a different types of sponsors, seeing that there is more scope with female products, waterproof makeup, swimwear, fitness, etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted May 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 18, 2019 Unfortunately the Big Dawg is in its death throes. Witness the decline of entries and number of season qualifiers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted May 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 18, 2019 @Stevie Boy See MW sl for potential entries Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ScottScott Posted May 18, 2019 Members Share Posted May 18, 2019 There is the queen's cup. Of course thats just one tournament. But then the big dawg isn't a lot more than that now either.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cooper_Trelawney Posted May 18, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 18, 2019 There was the W.O.W. (women of waterskiing) tour in the 90s with televised tour stops. Unique format of team competition by boat brand sponsorship. They competed on all 3 events. Many of the sponsors were women oriented products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members ScottScott Posted May 18, 2019 Members Share Posted May 18, 2019 A little side track here.. but I think it would be fun to have some boat sponcor team competitions, combined men/women. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klindy Posted May 18, 2019 Share Posted May 18, 2019 @ScottScott the Queens Cup is just one tournament but it’s been quite a success each year it’s been held. There has been a lot of interest and the format makes for some pretty awesome competition. With the cash and other prizes everyone goes home a winner. Jeff, Chelsea and the others at LM work hard for it to be a success. Always fun to be a part of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members skiep Posted May 22, 2019 Members Share Posted May 22, 2019 Lake 38 Pro-Am $8,500.00 for men and $8,500.00 for Women Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted May 22, 2019 Baller Share Posted May 22, 2019 What Bruce said earlier. It's not complicated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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