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If Mapple had been born 30 years later, would he be kicking Nate’s ass?


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if Mapple had been born 30 years later, would he be kicking Nate’s ass, making Nate the modern equivalent of Wade Cox?

 

NOTE: I can not take credit for this poll. the question comes from my text messages this morning.

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@BraceMaker yes.

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This is a very tough call. I think that Nate has better technique than Andy had, but Andy had one hell of a work ethic and a strong drive to succeed. I don’t know anything about Nate’s off water training and so I can’t comment on it. I know that Andy was a beast in the gym and on a bike, so his body was always physically well prepared. He was also at the beginning a strong three eventer and tricked between 4 and 5000 in the 2014 Senior Worlds.

 

Andy also has a deep knowledge of technique and equipment, which would be an edge, but if you take Andy and Nate both at 27 or 28, maybe Nate is on par with Andy.

 

A side note, one of my favorite skiing pictures is from somewhere around 2013. Nate and Andy had both been eliminated at Moomba and together were manning the safety boat.

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Sexy thread title. Draws you in. I was just thinking that in reality, the term "kicking ass" is probably aggressive, regardless who might theoretically come out on top, when talking a 1/4 or 1/2 a ball at such a difficult task as 43 off. Anyway, it certainly would have been fun to watch two of the best go head to head in their primes. Doesn't seem to happen too often in any sport.

 

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Nate has more 41's in tourneys than all other skiers combined...think about how many he has in practice to add to that...really freakish. Andy would be right there with him in his physical prime on modern equipment and ZO. Too close to call.

 

Probably some pro's who have skied with both may have a better opinion, but not want to share it.

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Nate has lifted the bar and with all due respect to AM the data alone tells the story. Nate is anything but big and strong, he's light and fast side to side - faster than anyone and that allows him to do what he does. As good as Andy was he was a different type of skier and that type of skier is less effective today as things stand with bigger HP and modern speed control.
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Andys passes looked diff in that you could tell the diff between 32 off and 39. No one stood on the shore wondering which length it was. No one ever scratched their head and wondered how he got it done at extreme shortline. No one questioned whether or not Andy did off season training. The nod would go to Nate just because all of those are in play. Efficiency is key.
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Mapple & Nate would both unsettle other skiers when they were on site, they know they have to bring their "A" game.

However as stated I think Andy Mapples ability to apply pressure mentally and phisically put it all out there, would just put him in front of Nate.

What a spectacle that would have been, Nate & Mapple at their peak in a Head to Head

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@ms did you say Hazelwood? You know we are talkin about slalom? Right?

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Very true, but Nate's competition hasn't exactly been soft.

 

I agree with @Wish, I don't think anyone has ever made it look easier than Nate. He's so fluid at all lengths. Maybe that's why some say Am had the grit and determination to round that next ball versus Nate? He just doesn't really appear to have to grit out his passes, visually anyway. Those 2 head to head would've been a sight to behold for sure.

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@wish I could not disagree with you more. I'm pretty sure Nate has the site record both at Moomba and at the Masters. I don't know that he handles bad conditions better than Andy did but to say that Nate is a smooth water skier is a bit silly.

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Nate has taken slalom to a new level. He turns faster, creates more speed and angle than anyone. That said, was in the safety boat at the 2004 worlds at Swiss. Pretty strong head tail in the slalom finals. Every skier ran 39 head to get 1 or two at 41 tail. Not Andy. He ran 32, opted up to TAIL 39 and crushed it wanting a head 41 for the win. Unfortunately, as he went to 1 ball @ 41 a huge head wind came down the lake at caught him at 1 ball. To this day, I have never seen a better example of steely nerves, confidence, strategy and execution in slalom. ( and he did it on a new ski as he had broken his primary ski the day before in practice.) Having witnessed that, I give the edge to Mapple.
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@horton depends on what you call rough conditions. There's no tour that puts skiers on public waters/rivers in front of crowds like the beer tours did. Those guys delt with rollers, backwash, wind and the like weekend after weekend. That simply does not happen these days. To point out 2 tournaments that have been in existence and skid a ton by both to me is silly. If conditions suck and Andy gets all that experience and is young, he gets the nod in my book cause he had to all the time.
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you guys do realize Andy was the key member of the original ZO team?

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Remington or Winchester, you pick. I’m sort of glad they came to our sport at different times. The both have offered so much. Buoy count alone seems to be a soft metric considering how much change in the sport. The record seems to have hit the wall since skiers broke into 43. Are these 1/4 - :)1/2 bouy differences really a difference in skier, or ski/fin. Don’t know. Consistency is looking like new Bar. I call it a tie :)
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@liquid d I would like to see the win percentage. As @6balls said without Andy - Wade would have won everything. Kind of like without Regina - Whitney would currently run the table most of the time for the ladies.

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@Wish Just such a hard thing to compare.

growing up it seemed that Andy Mapple had a job as a professional skier. Nate seems to be the best skier in a world where it doesnt seem like he has a job.

 

I always viewed it as mapple having a full plate, family, competition, engineer, skier. But I have no real concept of Nate doing anything other than skiing and seems like less often?

 

In other words will a 50 yo Nate Smith look like vs Andy.

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