1danlay Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 The crew at AWS did a very thorough walkthrough of the 2019 Ski Nautique (Correct Craft) waterski boat. It has been a long time since slalom skiing has seen this level of inovation in a boat. If you get a opportunity to ski behind this vessel you should definitely take it! Correct Craft has set the bar once again with this top of the line product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted December 18, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 18, 2018 So why does no one show the tuners? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rockdog Posted December 18, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 18, 2018 Hmm yes one of the most talked about features of the new design was talked about even more and despite the camera guy standing right next to them - just couldn’t bend his knees a little to show us. If someone who owns one could show us that would be appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cnewbert Posted December 18, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 18, 2018 Just go to nautique.com and you can find a video showing the tuners. Look for 2019 Ski Nautique Walk Through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 18, 2018 Administrators Share Posted December 18, 2018 I have made and published worse videos. Goode ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted December 18, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 18, 2018 Was that kid from Pittsburgh... 'an that'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller bigskieridaho Posted December 20, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 20, 2018 I shut it off after 1:00. Couldn’t listen to that guy. That is one beautiful Nautique, love the color combo for sure tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RAWSki Posted December 20, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 20, 2018 While I Totally agree with Horton. "Uhmmmm". I think that was a " Super OK" video. A great wakeboarder's review of a ski boat . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Golfguy Posted December 20, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 20, 2018 With all due respect and appreciation to Correct Craft for many, many years of dedication to the Ski boat business, this boat is a tub. It is too wide will not fit in any of the dock slips at our lakes, too heavy, requiring a large expensive engine, and too heavy. It is a further departure from what the Slalom community has been saying they want and seems to be a crossover, compromise with all of the "ski Locker" storage. Because of the shear size and weight, the hull has gimmicky solutions that add unnecessary cost to mitigate the wide wildly bubbly wake. Where does this end? Will we have to widen the boat guides for the next rendition of the boats? This boat needs to go on an athletic diet. My $.02 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted December 20, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 20, 2018 From respective web sites: Ski Nautique, 2945 lbs, 98" beam Mastercraft Prostar, 3300 lbs, 96" beam Malibu Response TXI, 3100 lbs, 95" beam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 20, 2018 Administrators Share Posted December 20, 2018 @dbutcher I am under the impression that some or all of those weight numbers are suspect. Goode ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller chrislandy Posted December 20, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 20, 2018 Wow, I didn't realise the new boats were so large or heavy. My 96 205 is only 2600lb and 85in wide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cnewbert Posted December 21, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 21, 2018 I've read a lot of questions about the comparative weights of certain boats, i.e. the new Ski Nautique, the Nautique 200 and so forth in various discussion threads, as well as doubt or skepticism expressed in some instances concerning the accuracy of manufacturers' claims. Isn't this easily resolved if a few helpful owners/group members of these boats trailer them to any truck weigh station and weigh their rig with the boat and then again without the boat on the trailer to determine their actual boat's weight and report the results? For accuracy the amount of gas in the boat should be noted and any difference the truck's fuel level between weighings should be accounted for. It only costs a few bucks but would eliminate a lot of speculation and would be appreciated by many. I've read where modern digital truck scales will read accurately to +/- 5 pounds even for smaller loads. It goes without saying the boat should be emptied of all personal equipment and gear that didn't come with the boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 21, 2018 Administrators Share Posted December 21, 2018 @Cnewbert I am not really sure why it matters. Weight is just one of many factors. All that matters is how the wakes feel and how the boat performs. Goode ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted December 21, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 21, 2018 @Horton, exactly!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cnewbert Posted December 21, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 21, 2018 If it doesn't matter then why is there so much concern about it? Seems I've read all kinds of talk of it on various threads, how much the tower adds and whether the tower is advisable because of the added weight alone, certain boats being pigs because of their weight and so forth, comparisons of boat weights one brand/model to the next, whether the new Nautique 200 weighs more than the older Ski Nautique 200 and how they compare to the new Ski Nautique etc. I'm not saying I think that it matters so much, but it seems to generate a fair amount of discussion and even criticism of certain boats. So it appears it matters a lot to some. I was just suggesting an easy and accurate way for those who may care to put the issue of how much a boat actually weighs to rest if the manufacturers' specs are not to be believed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 21, 2018 Administrators Share Posted December 21, 2018 @Cnewbert There is a lot of talk about it but I am not convinced that is it a logical way to judge a boat. Goode ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cnewbert Posted December 21, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 21, 2018 Horton, I agree with you on that. It's only one of many factors. My suggestion would end any speculation on the accuracy of a manufacturers' specs is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted December 21, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 21, 2018 I believe what is most important for performance, is how and where the weight is distributed throughout the hull. Even small amounts of ballast distributed at different locations on the boat will effect the wake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted December 22, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 22, 2018 If you can make the boat wider and a bit heavier with the same or better wake than the previous boat I suspect that might make the boat less weight sensitive, which is a good thing, IMO. Especially if you get the gas tank centered or slightly forward of center. But I am still curious how much all these boats really weigh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted December 22, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 22, 2018 @Cnewbert I doubt that weighing a single example of a model would be a good yard stick. It would be interesting to weigh a statistically significantly sample size to determine weight variance between supposedly identical models. Even more interesting would be a front/rear and right/left weight distribution analysis of identical models. I would bet there is much more variance than most people would expect. Even when fluid flow tests are consistently performed and flow rates tweaked on computerized paint robots there is significant film build variation in auto manufacturers paint booths. How much variation do you think there is when fiberglass resin and chop are hand sprayed for the entire thickness of a fiberglass layup by humans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jjackkrash Posted December 22, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 22, 2018 @skiinxs, so true, I worked in a glass chop shop / layup shop one summer many moons ago, and I know first hand (at least at that shop) that the hull thickness and consistency of each boat depended mostly on how hung over/still drunk the guy running the chopper gun was that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted December 22, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 22, 2018 Which boats are chop glass in the big three? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cnewbert Posted December 22, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 22, 2018 skiinxs, good point. Thanks. It didn't occur to me that there might be a significant difference in the hull weight of one boat to the next of a certain make and model. That kind of renders manufacturers' specs unreliable from the get-go I would think. I wonder how much this can actually vary? If there is a significant difference between boats of the same model and if added weight of a specific hull shape increases displacement compared to a lighter version, presumably creating a bigger wake, it makes me wonder how one can ever generalize about the wake characteristics of a given boat model as so many do. i.e., if there is concern about the added weight of a tower, or an extra person, or how full the gas tank is, etc. affecting the wake, is there enough variation in weight resulting from the imprecise hand layup process to make it impossible to make subtle comparisons between boats at all, or to really know what you are getting if you buy a boat without personally skiing behind it? Or is the variation in weight really too small to make noticeable effect? And what might be too small? +/- 50# could result on one hull differing from the next by 100#. Would an expert skier notice that difference if an added passenger is perceivable by them? I wonder if the manufacturers even know or monitor this? The more glass and resin, the higher the materials cost, so you'd think they'd pay some attention to it. Anyhow, I'm just curious about all this and I appreciate everyone's insights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Golfguy Posted December 22, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 22, 2018 This is all good dialog and interesting perspectives as to what the boats actually weigh. The question that keeps popping up in my mind at least is: Has the steady progression upward of weight and size improved the performance of the boat and wake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tjs1295 Posted December 22, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 22, 2018 My only concern with the width of the new boats is whether or not they will fit in my garage for winter storage. I think the width is 104 inches. My 196 fits OK, but it's a little tight. Not sure the newer boats would. That would ne a huge deal for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted December 22, 2018 Baller_ Share Posted December 22, 2018 @Cnewbert : Not only is there variation in boat mass primarily due to the human process' involved, there will also be performance variations across multiple molds. @Golfguy: increase in weight absolutely not, increase in width has helped flatten the wakes and the improvements in hull design is also a major contributor to the wake improvements over the years creating the lift to offset the mass increase. It does have some to do with water displacement, even in the dynamic state of being in motion so a heavier hull with more displacement can be offset via wetted surface area with a wider wake being the result. Another factor is the center of gravity of that mass and moving it can offer a benefit to the wake, particularly by changing the running pitch angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 22, 2018 Administrators Share Posted December 22, 2018 @Golfguy somebody pretty smart made the comment to me yesterday that boat width is measured at the top of the gunnel. You might be surprised if you compared all four boats at the water line. Goode ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dacon62 Posted December 22, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 22, 2018 @tjs1295 ...boats are getting wider yes but I think (boat) trailers legal road max width is limited to 102”. That’s why you see the newer boats higher on the trailer sitting over the fenders and not cradled nicely between the fenders. Don’t boat manufacturers have meters on the resin and gel guns for consistency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted December 22, 2018 Baller_ Share Posted December 22, 2018 @BraceMaker, I recall, some years ago, that MasterCraft specifically mentioned all their boats were hand cut/hand laid cloth and resin and were not chopper gun products. They considered it a distinguishing quality of their boats and specifically touted the consistency of doing it their way. Not sure if they still do it or not, but I would assume they would only have changed if a better method existed. Edited: Perhaps this may help: http://www.mastercraft.com/page/index/factory-tour The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller tjs1295 Posted December 22, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 22, 2018 Thanks for the info Dacon62. I was hoping for something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted December 22, 2018 Administrators Share Posted December 22, 2018 @MISkier great link! Goode ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted December 22, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 22, 2018 @MISkier ya I know my MCs have always been clearly glass cloth.. Ive had a four winds chris craft and bayliner that were a chop boats. But not sure what malibu and SN do. Not that it couldnt vary in lay up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted December 22, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 22, 2018 I was fortunate enough to go to the factory when they were building my 200. I watched the hull in the mold, where they spread cloth, and were spreading resin with rollers. Never saw the cheap chop crap. Everything I witnessed was first class. Even had their own sewing shop, making there own interiors. Very impressive !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted December 23, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 23, 2018 Concerning width. My garage (pole barn) doors are considered 9 ft doors. That' s the width of the door. I've never measured the exact opening, but my 196 on a Ramlin trailer has about 4" to spare on each side. I could never get a new Nautique in my doors. Measure your intended storage and boat lift before you buy one of any brand new boat. You may be looking at a lot of work/expense/seeking new arrangements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted December 23, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 23, 2018 @leonl as another mentioned trailer matters. I have a 196 on a Ramlin. I cannot back it into my garage, whereas I can back my Centurion Falcon in there. Boats are similar width I’ve had each on my boat lift with rigid guideposts they fit about the same. Ramlin trailer is way wider. I store in a hangar so no biggie...but for those thinking storage restrictions measure width of the trailer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted December 23, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 23, 2018 I believe the trailers are no more than 102". The guide poles may be wider but are easily removable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted December 23, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 23, 2018 On my last tour of the Nautique plant I saw all fiberglass cloth being cut by CNC cutting machines and folded up into a kit for each boat. I am confident the fiberglass content is exactly the same for each boat. On the parts that are made in a closed mold (like the swim platforms) all excess resin is vaccumed out and all should be extremely close. I seem to remember that weight is monitored as they are being sprayed, but not sure of the details there and am certainly not knowledgeable of the current process but confident of continuos process improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Jerry44 Posted December 29, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 29, 2018 The trailer width is the same on a 196 and a Prostar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller KRoundy Posted December 30, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 30, 2018 How Nautique builds boats: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Dacon62 Posted December 30, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 30, 2018 Very impressive process and precision...but asking because I don’t know...what is that from 3:27-3:33? Resin gun or chopper gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted December 30, 2018 Baller_ Share Posted December 30, 2018 @Dacon62, it appears to have strands feeding into it, so I would guess chopper gun. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller EricKelley Posted December 30, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 30, 2018 After spending a good bit of time in the boat, I believe the weight claims. The boat feels very light. It also feels very strong. Stronger and tighter than any skiboat I have been in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller teammalibu Posted December 30, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 30, 2018 The 2019 Ski Nautique wont fit thru the doors of any of the Boat Houses at Cedar Ridge the 200,TXI, and MC all are close but do fit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted December 30, 2018 Baller Share Posted December 30, 2018 @MISkier I was told one time that the only place a chopper gun is used is in very tight / small areas where fiberglass cloth would likely not stay and create a bubble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted December 30, 2018 Baller_ Share Posted December 30, 2018 @skiinxs, that makes sense. In the video, it looks like they are using it on the underside of the deck and in some crevices, tight corners, and vertical surfaces. I'm sure they lay the hull itself by hand with cloth and resin. The hull shape is likely more conducive to the hand laid cloth method than some of the other shapes and surfaces on the boat. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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