Administrators Horton Posted November 5, 2018 Administrators Share Posted November 5, 2018 This year I started to make the move from 67” skis to 66” skis. I rode the 66” and 67” D3 EVO. I rode the 66” HO Syndicate Pro. I rode the 66” and 67” Radar Pro Build. With all three 66” skis I never thought the skis felt small or slow or undersized in any way. In the case of the D3 EVO I liked some things with both sized. In the case of the Radar I was convinced that the 66” I had was a personal favorite until I rode the 67” With all three of these skis speed was never the issue. Width is not the issue. Shorter/Smaller skis generally do turn harder and faster. That is a good thing right? My final take away is that at 180-ish I can ride a 66” but turns are going to be much tighter and more frantic. With the bigger skis turns might be slower but that also means smoother and leaving me in a calmer state of mind approaching the first wake. It is not what I expected then I started this idea but I am going to gravitate back to 67” skis. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted November 5, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 5, 2018 Hmm, depends quite a bit on set up (fin, bindings). I have always felt @ 38 and shorter the turn can't be sharp @ the apex as you are perpendicular-ish to the boat and there is nothing to pull you through the wake yet. Maybe as you are getting further down the line this is true? Maybe a longer ski rides higher and actually turns similar to a shorter ski deeper in the water. Contrary to logic , my pb @ 36 mph was on a 68, @ 34 mph on a 67". Unfortunately I never tried a 67 @ 36 mph, so not really scientific Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted November 5, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 5, 2018 Very interesting. On one particular ski I've been having trouble with, I was told to go the next size down and it should help me. 67 down to 66 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted November 5, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 5, 2018 So... BIGGER is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted November 5, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 5, 2018 Maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 5, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted November 5, 2018 @jimski what attribute do you think will improve w/a smaller ski? Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted November 6, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 6, 2018 @horton me nothing The person advising me thinks it will help. I'm having trouble getting up on the front of the ski to get more tip feed back. I can't get the ski to turn very well on either side unless I push the DFT way up past the recommendations Make any sence ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted November 6, 2018 @jimski kind of think this might need to be its own thread. Can you post some video I'd like to see this. So far I'm not sure it makes sense. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted November 6, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 6, 2018 @horton my video skill suck and have been unable to get anything that is very good quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted November 6, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 6, 2018 @Horton what your buoy count differences on the Evos and radars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted November 6, 2018 about the same. I get to 4 @ 38 on almost every ski and then 2 at 39 when the moon and the stars really line up. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted November 6, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 6, 2018 That was my guess, but longer feels better/less hectic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted November 6, 2018 Baller_ Share Posted November 6, 2018 More confirmation of Butterfield’s 3rd Law of Slalom: “No ski will magically add buoys to your PB. What the optimum ski and setup does is have a dominant effect on your consistency.” If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted November 6, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 6, 2018 Agreed. I've had skis that skied 6 buoys better (consistently) once I got the fin just right. A ski actually, maybe 2, I'll let you know next summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted November 6, 2018 @drago exactly Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted November 6, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 6, 2018 So, considering the factors (consistency, gotta run 38 to work on 39,etc), do you want to get 4@39,or run a bunch of 38s, which length do you feel would get you to that goal? And is it a different length depending on that goal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 6, 2018 Author Administrators Share Posted November 6, 2018 @Drago it's an interesting question. In most cases if I can get around 1 and heading back towards 2 ball without unnecessary drama I will run 38. My assumption is the ski that gets me in and out of one smoothly at 38 is going to get me farther at 39. I do own at least one ski that I can run a relatively high percentage of 38s on but it's always always always a hot mess. I don't ski on that ski much because I don't want to practice skiing in a frantic mode and I think once I get to 39 the hot mess will just get messier. Circling back to the original topic. I think generally speaking the shorter skis rotate faster at Apex and are potentially more forgiving at on side. One of the reasons I would opt down a size for particular ski would be for a more forgiving on side but then that potentially means I'm more frantic offside. Anything that makes my skiing more frantic is probably a pretty bad idea. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimski Posted November 11, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 11, 2018 So if your on a ski that matches your weight / height why ? Would you go down a size or up a size ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted November 11, 2018 Baller Share Posted November 11, 2018 That's what we're trying to figure out. There is overlap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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