Problem with new boots

[Don11]

Need help and suggestions. Wanted to try the 2019 Senate Pro but needed a set of boots. Have skied with Goode hardshells with velcro for many years. Picked up a pair of 2019 Radar Profile boots. My first attempt on the ski - I found the boots so stiff and buoyant, I couldn't even come out of the water. Mind you, I've been skiing for over 30 years so this was extremely frustrating! Anyone with new double bindings having the same dilemma? Any suggestions to get me up on the water?

[Deanoski]

I would go back to your power shells. never test new ski with new boots!

[ski6jones]

Test skis with your usual binding setup. Much harder to change bindings in my opinion than skis. Certainly don't want to change both at the same time. I speak from experience on that.

[Dacon62]

They will soften up and break in more every set. Don’t give up on them till you give them a fair chance.

[igkya]

@Don11 Buoyant? Just curious, if you were on Goode Hardshells, why did you try the profiles instead of the Vapor boots? But agree with @Dacon62, they will soften with use.

[bigskieridaho]

That’s odd. Profiles are usually the softer ones. I agree tho, should have gone with Vapors coming off of hard shells.

[Zman]

Vapor Carbitex - love them.

[TEL]

This thread is right up my ally. Received my new Vapor Carbitex this week after my 4 year old Vector was coming apart. They hold my foot and ankle very firmly with a slight angle forward. I was so excited had them heat mold that day Thanks Performance.. I use a rear toe with my new Carbitex. First I barely got up and felt like i was just learning to sk, I felt like I was going to out the front when crossing the wake and could barely turn my ski. For come reason i was skiing straight legged and riding the tail. I got out of the course and made several passes I finished riding a little better but ended hating the boot. Tonight I will try again. What i did learn is that with my old soft boot I must of been moving around a lot in my boot.

[ALPJr]

Give it a few rides @tel kinda like breaking in a new pair of hiking boots.

[Fam-man]

@Don11 this year I went to a vapor probuild and felt the ski to be much more buoyant then my previous one. When the boat first puts tension on the rope I will push my feet down into the water slightly and tuck my back foot under me as much as possible. After a couple sets I didn’t even notice anymore.

[TallSkinnyGuy]

@TEL I had exactly the same experience as you when I switch from soft boots to Vapor in the front. It took me at least 3 or 4 sets to get used to it and probably 6 sets before I didn't think about the boot anymore. However, even before I got used to it I started noticing how much better edge control I had. Give your Vapor boot a few sets and I bet you will love it.

[skierjp]

Moving to the Vapor boot is almost as big of a move as to hard shells. Give it time. Caution, do not pull the top bungee tight! It will hurt you!!!!

[Don11]

After 3 sets and 30 attempts, I gave up on the Radar Profiles. Put interlock on the Senate Pro and stuck my Goode Hardshells on the ski. Got up right away and didn't miss getting up for the rest of the set. With this problem solved, on to trying to set up and dial in the Senate Pro. Any numbers from people that have tries this ski?

Thanks for all of the input!

[A_B]

@Don11 I was stubborn and wanted to keep trying my standard deepmajd short fin setup. The ski seems to only like the long shallow fins. Try like 2.45 and 6.965 for starters.

The other thing is the binding holes are about 3/4” more forward than prior models.

I moved where I attach the Sequence plate to the ski and bumper it back about a 1/4” from all the way back using standard plate holes. It still seems a little forward to me but my season ended.

[BraceMaker]

@Don11 - your binding issue is probably your foot sliding forwards into the boot during the pull.

 

I know for me getting up in a rubber binding I sort of need to curl my big toe down to tighten my foot back or I'll slip all over.