Reflex Supershell 4.0

[Ryota]

Supershell 4.0 was shown at Japan waterski Nationals.

Little Minor changes and became shiner.

 

 

[C5Quest]

So add at strap at the top and it’s 4.0? Looks the same except for the Carbon look. Heel cup is just the Supershell cup.

[BMG73]

What’s the point of the carbon toe?

[Buoyhead69]

I recently switched to a Reflex 3.0 with carbon plate. I can’t see any point to the carbon toe. The boot does not come in contact with the carbon, the metal portion is what holds the toe in place. One of my ski partners said maybe it’s to deflect water and for aerodynamics but I don’t see how that would be helpful. I paid extra for the carbon toe and, unless I’m missing something, I probably should have passed on it. Otherwise, I love the Reflex. I came from a Vapor carbitex. I love the stiff feel and I love how it releases. Great product overall.

[keithh2oskier]

Because it looks cool.

 

 

[C5Quest]

The carbon heel cup and toe replaced the absolute piece of crap 3D printed garbage they had before. I had about 4 heel

Cups that broke or disintegrated before the carbon. Even the toe piece came apart. I’ve skied this whole year with the carbon replacements and they are rock solid and show no signs of wear. Why didn’t they just start with carbon? Ridiculous to pay hundreds of dollars for a top of the line binding system to have these parts continuously break.

[epnault]

Those printed parts we crap. The cool thing is they would keep sending replacements to to me when they broke but a huge pain to change a couple of times a year. I will be switching to carbin fiber next season.

[BraceMaker]

@C5Quest - Just was the wrong 3D printing process, SLS with nylon would have been fine.

[Drago]

@keithh2oskier But does it?

[keithh2oskier]

@Drago Yes carbon fiber is used in high end race applications so it only makes sense it flows down to waterskiing.

 

[ISP6ball]

If everything was carbon fiber except the toe piece everyone would be asking why they didn't just make the toe piece carbon fiber also :)

[OldboyII]

I wish Reflex would replace toe loop by 2nd release unit. At least as an option.

But for years progress replaced by marketing.

[LOTW]

Not to be a smart guy but other than increasing the price of an already expensive set up, what would be the benefit of a front release? These things seem to work just fine as is.

 

On another angle, I use the Vapor liner inside my 3.0 and have used the same in previous white cuff shells. The liner/shell combo works great but on the 3.0 I can't seem to be able to close the middle buckle. At first, when everything was new, I had trouble closing all buckles but as they wore in they fit much better. All except the middle one which barely catches the second or third hook but I ski with the buckle open. Anyone else have this problem? Any ideas?

[Deanoski]

@LOTW thinner liner

[OldboyII]

@LOTW front unit (same as in OB4 or MOB or Stealth etc.) for release in case of twisting fall with no otf component. Some skiers who experienced such fall are switching to MOB after recovery. So will I next season.

[BMG73]

Let me rephrase my question...

What’s the point of the toe price? (I already know it doesn’t do anything) nylon or carbon it looks stupid.

[BraceMaker]

@BMG73 I think all theyre doing is filling in the space between the shell the bar and the plate.

[Adam Caldwell]

@LOTW

 

I had same issue. Non of the buckles would stay latched. I found the reason the be the way they mounted it with the screw in the middle hole. It allows the buckle to lift, then open as it looses the mechanical advantage to stay closed.

 

I relocate the mounting screws on the latch to go into the lower hole. Then grind off the little post on the back of the latch to get it to sit as flat as possible.

 

[LOTW]

Thanks Adam. I think my problem is closer to what Deanoski thinks as the Radar liner is quite thick, possibly too thick at the middle buckle that I can't get it closed. I never had this problem with white cuffs. I really like this combo and as far as that thin Reflex liner goes, I don't like it, too thin.

[Adam Caldwell]

@LOTW - I use a radar liner also. I would spend the time remounting the buckle and or clasp how-ever and where-ever you need it. Use the lower hole and see what happens. A lot easier then using a thin liner that you probably wont like anyway.

[ozski]

Also those Radar liners respond well to some oven time.