Ryota Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Supershell 4.0 was shown at Japan waterski Nationals. Little Minor changes and became shiner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted October 11, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 11, 2018 So add at strap at the top and it’s 4.0? Looks the same except for the Carbon look. Heel cup is just the Supershell cup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BMG73 Posted October 11, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 11, 2018 What’s the point of the carbon toe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buoyhead69 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 I recently switched to a Reflex 3.0 with carbon plate. I can’t see any point to the carbon toe. The boot does not come in contact with the carbon, the metal portion is what holds the toe in place. One of my ski partners said maybe it’s to deflect water and for aerodynamics but I don’t see how that would be helpful. I paid extra for the carbon toe and, unless I’m missing something, I probably should have passed on it. Otherwise, I love the Reflex. I came from a Vapor carbitex. I love the stiff feel and I love how it releases. Great product overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithh2oskier Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Because it looks cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller C5Quest Posted October 11, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 11, 2018 The carbon heel cup and toe replaced the absolute piece of crap 3D printed garbage they had before. I had about 4 heel Cups that broke or disintegrated before the carbon. Even the toe piece came apart. I’ve skied this whole year with the carbon replacements and they are rock solid and show no signs of wear. Why didn’t they just start with carbon? Ridiculous to pay hundreds of dollars for a top of the line binding system to have these parts continuously break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller epnault Posted October 12, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 12, 2018 Those printed parts we crap. The cool thing is they would keep sending replacements to to me when they broke but a huge pain to change a couple of times a year. I will be switching to carbin fiber next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted October 12, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 12, 2018 @C5Quest - Just was the wrong 3D printing process, SLS with nylon would have been fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted October 12, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 12, 2018 @keithh2oskier But does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithh2oskier Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 @Drago Yes carbon fiber is used in high end race applications so it only makes sense it flows down to waterskiing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ISP6ball Posted October 12, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 12, 2018 If everything was carbon fiber except the toe piece everyone would be asking why they didn't just make the toe piece carbon fiber also :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted October 13, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 13, 2018 I wish Reflex would replace toe loop by 2nd release unit. At least as an option. But for years progress replaced by marketing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LOTW Posted October 13, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 13, 2018 Not to be a smart guy but other than increasing the price of an already expensive set up, what would be the benefit of a front release? These things seem to work just fine as is. On another angle, I use the Vapor liner inside my 3.0 and have used the same in previous white cuff shells. The liner/shell combo works great but on the 3.0 I can't seem to be able to close the middle buckle. At first, when everything was new, I had trouble closing all buckles but as they wore in they fit much better. All except the middle one which barely catches the second or third hook but I ski with the buckle open. Anyone else have this problem? Any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted October 13, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 13, 2018 @LOTW thinner liner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OldboyII Posted October 13, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 13, 2018 @LOTW front unit (same as in OB4 or MOB or Stealth etc.) for release in case of twisting fall with no otf component. Some skiers who experienced such fall are switching to MOB after recovery. So will I next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BMG73 Posted October 15, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 15, 2018 Let me rephrase my question... What’s the point of the toe price? (I already know it doesn’t do anything) nylon or carbon it looks stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted October 15, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 15, 2018 @BMG73 I think all theyre doing is filling in the space between the shell the bar and the plate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller adamhcaldwell Posted October 15, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 15, 2018 @LOTW I had same issue. Non of the buckles would stay latched. I found the reason the be the way they mounted it with the screw in the middle hole. It allows the buckle to lift, then open as it looses the mechanical advantage to stay closed. I relocate the mounting screws on the latch to go into the lower hole. Then grind off the little post on the back of the latch to get it to sit as flat as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LOTW Posted October 15, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 15, 2018 Thanks Adam. I think my problem is closer to what Deanoski thinks as the Radar liner is quite thick, possibly too thick at the middle buckle that I can't get it closed. I never had this problem with white cuffs. I really like this combo and as far as that thin Reflex liner goes, I don't like it, too thin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller adamhcaldwell Posted October 15, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 15, 2018 @LOTW - I use a radar liner also. I would spend the time remounting the buckle and or clasp how-ever and where-ever you need it. Use the lower hole and see what happens. A lot easier then using a thin liner that you probably wont like anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted October 15, 2018 Baller Share Posted October 15, 2018 Also those Radar liners respond well to some oven time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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