Will Nautique still make the 200?

[addkerr]

As a European club. I want no side storage, no carpet, zr409, Analogue gauges and ZO head unit. Basic color scheme, no need for OB but I can live with it. Oh and back to 06' prices ;) joke but Realistically a good amount of dollar less than 19'.

[Dacon62]

If something comes of this it could be why they scrapped the Carbon Pro...? Why spend hours and hours developing a new carbon pro when they already have the proven 200 Hull that can be revamped and rebadged.

[Sethro]

I think they'll still sell as many of the new model (2019) as they can make, so what would it hurt to offer a "lesser" model especially if it's under a different name.

[swc5150]

@Dacon62 Agreed, a no-brainer move on CC's part.

[escmanaze]

Wow, I really hope this thread isn't just one giant tease. I would love to see a value based 200 still be offered, especially an open bow version.

 

So let me throw out an idea here that might be controversial - especially with @eleeski, but here's my opinion...I think.

 

If we are making the 200 value based - what if we also just eliminated the hydrogate and all the problems of adjustment and complications it seems to have? Instead, we just mold in the little hook like my 97 bubble back has so that it is just always in slalom mode and it can't fall out of adjustment or anything. My wake still stays nice and rampy, even as the speeds get a little higher, and especially if you add some weight to the back.

 

I really think this would be a correct move to make based on the market they would seem to be seeking with this boat.

[eleeski]

Hydrogates are pretty simple and not ridiculously expensive. But they could simplify it by LEAVING IT IN TRICK MODE!!!

 

Eric

[swc5150]

Be cautious on thinking it’ll be a “value” boat. Perhaps compared to the new SN somewhat, but even a stripped Prostar or TXi doesn’t come cheap.

[ConPexEr]

not actually made by Nautique? no thanks.

[RAWSki]

This does sound suspiciously like what Centurion-Supreme wanted to do with the Carbon Pro v2. I hope it works out, I would even consider one in a year or two . Our sport needs a more affordable craft for those that can only dream of a new tournament ski boat currently. However I continue to believe that brand loyalty runs extremely deep in our sport as @ConPexEr demonstrated . Everyone wants a "basic boat" but it needs to be manufactured by SN - MC or Bu apparently?

[swc5150]

I never would’ve guessed the factory of origin would matter to some folks. Lots of skilled people building boats in TN, so I wouldn’t be concerned.

[Andre]

What is important is that it's made to exact CC quality specs!

[LoopSki]

@swc5150 so you would consider buying a 200 by Bayliner ? lol

[Andre]

Fiberglass isn't exactly rocket science...and there's some 30 years old Bayliner on every lake.

Bryants is own by CC.

(But i wouldn't buy 200 by Bayliner)

[Horton]

At the high end of the sport we expect the pylon to move only inches right to left and for the wake to be sublime. How you maintain your molds and lay up your boat is critical at the pinnacle of the sport.

[mbabiash]

Even nautique put out bad 200 hulls. I can think of two that I’ve skied that everyone complained about one side of the wake no matter how much you moved people around in it so it must be important.

[MCskiFreak]

Bryant has a very good reputation for putting out quality boats so I would not worry about Bayliner levels of quality. As long as they have good process control in place there is no reason to think there would be a noticeable change from a Nautique built boat.

 

@Horton if there is no change to the hull design there is no reason there would be any change to the excellent tracking characteristics of the boat.

 

Consistency boat to boat may even improve being built in Tennessee all else being equal due to the fact that there is less temperature and humidity variation to deal with which becomes a huge issue with controlling the curing of the resin and heat that is generated.

[The_MS]

Materials and the quality of interior and fit and trim. Need employees that care about finished product. I would try to go with a Made for Skiers by Skiers motto

[6balls]

Value being a relative term. Now that the new 3-event boats are so pricey...value is likely to come in at something around what we used to think was very expensive, but seems like value in comparison.

 

The challenge then, as always with value boats...will people buy the value version or a 3 year old top of the line for same price? The difference being this time the value boat is a big 3 offering...tho there have been attempts at that in the past.

 

I hope it goes well.

[Bdecker]

Sounds like a very compelling package. I hope they keep the Nautique brand as that is critical to the “value” @6balls is referring to. A 200 without the “stay wet” carpet and saddlebags you aren’t supposed to step on, and 6L motor sounds pretty sweet. Skip the touchscreen, go with analog gauges and a ZO headunit, keep the heater and heated seats.

[bishop8950]

I would be shocked if it was not branded Nautique

[RAWSki]

@MS I agree and disagree; how many of those people building our boats today do you think actually ski? I would guess a small percentage... (compared to board/surf or do not boat at all) I do believe most of them take pride in what they build -- however they are building Way more V-drives than direct drives. As the industry continues to consolidate I would not be surprised that one day factories are dedicated to building V-Drives and other locations within an organization build Direct Drives. This use of the Bryant factory might be a glimpse at the future.

[ForrestGump]

Bryant does NOT make cheap boats. They don't use cheap processes. They are a higher end mfr. FAR from a bayliner. CC is just maximizing production efficiency and using another production line that has available slots.

[igkya]

Didn't Nautique make a 'stripped' down version ski boat several years ago? I forget what it was called but it didn't seem to last long. Why?

[swc5150]

@igkya It was the SN 176, and it was a long time ago. I think the big problem was it was really tiny.

 

@LoopSki I was specifically thinking the Bryant plant, so no I wouldn't be worried at all about the quality of the product.

[The_MS]

@RAWSki Agree but it sounds good. We also need to note that the reason boats cost so much is because of the unfair trade practice. Bill Yeargin 2018

[Hallpass]

@swc5150. Not really sure that the SN 176 was considered a stripped down boat. You could get it with GT40, different gels and interiors, etc. I think it was really about having a shorter boat, particularly for

length restricted lakes. The Ski Nautique standard was offered mid-90s. That was a stripped down boat. White only, minimal graphics, very basic white interior. Carb'd 240 horse engine.

[dave2ball]

Good point make about the quality of Bryant boats. Are they quality? How is Nautique going to manage the quality control? If mentioned in the earlier thread if rigged by Nautique in Orlando how much of a savings is there?

[Chad_Scott]

Well word has it. The 200 is at the USA waterski boat test this weekend. Getting approved for tournament use.

[Horton]

yep that is the word on the street

[mbabiash]

Someone at the testing should take pics and post them.

Curious to see what changes they made.

[liquid d]

If you're gonna make it in Tennessee, make it in Lynchburg and brand that sombiatch a Jack Daniels Special! til the South rises again!

[KRoundy]

Where is the USA Waterski boat test held?

[Chad_Scott]

At kiwi place. Old USA waterski headquarters

[Dacon62]

Yup. Let’s see some ‘spy’ shots of the revamp.

[Wish]

Just need 3 hrs, full tank of gas and a long range camera lens. Unfortunately I have... 0 outa 3

[Dacon62]

@Wish...weekends not over yet! Rally and get it done. ?

[The_MS]

What a waste of time and money. I will bet that nothing gets sent back and told its no good. Have they ever rejected a boat that was submitted?

[ForrestGump]

@MS yes they have rejected boats

[The_MS]

Which one and when? They should send them all back and tell them to figure out ZO.

[dvskier]

1998 MasterCraft had to be altered to pass the AWSA ski test.

[Dacon62]

Yeah...what the heck. Poof, it’s gone.

[MCskiFreak]

I believe it was locked or deleted. I was in the middle of typing a comment when a flag appeared saying I no longer had permission to post in that thread.

 

I was surprised to see that the boat still had the link system given that it is being billed as a club/price point boat.

[skihart]

I guessed that my happen.

[DanE]

Weird configuration as a club/price point boat the whole concept of ob is totally pointless.

And for those actually looking for an ob now it has less storage?

[Dacon62]

I would guess some of you here have been on new skis that the public has not seen yet and have been asked not to share pictures on social media till after the product is announced by the manufacturer. Same concept here I believe.

[Horton]

I received a very polite phone call this morning asking me to remove pictures of the new boat. It seemed like the right thing to do so I took the thread down.

[Horton]

@scotchipman like any company I am sure they want to keep it under wraps until it is officially released.

[addkerr]

Can somebody describe features of the photos?

[Wish]

Imagine a 200 without side storage (so more room around motor box). Minimal SeaDeck on the engine cover mostly on the top of it with no vinyl padding anywhere on it. Rest looks just like a 200. Can't see a ton of $$ savings but maybe.

[DanE]

@Wish The $$ saved is in the R&D already paid for.