Members mcsd1992 Posted June 18, 2018 Members Share Posted June 18, 2018 Hi all, been following BOA for a while but just joined today. Was told to ask here for this question. Have an 08 Prostar 197 Anniversary edition, looking to upgrade from PP (no stargazer) to Zero off. My question is, is my boat compatible with this? link posted below https://greatlakesskipper.com/mastercraft-2013-zero-off-e1885560-marine-boat-gps-speed-control-kit-509162 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted June 18, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 18, 2018 upload a photo of your boat's ECU computer - 2008 is the year of the conversion cross over from MEFI to E-Controls ECU and it is possible that an Anniversary edition would have been on E-Controls but if it says MEFI-5 its a no go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mcsd1992 Posted June 18, 2018 Author Members Share Posted June 18, 2018 BraceMaker, when you say E-controls are you talking Drive by wire? If so, i know that i have DBW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted June 18, 2018 Baller_ Share Posted June 18, 2018 @mcsd1992, it is the Engine Control Module that needs to be an eControls unit. The programming for Zero Off is on the ECM with all the other engine management software. The ZO head unit you are trying to buy will only work with the ECM made by eControls. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted June 18, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 18, 2018 100% has to be econtrols 100% has to be drive by wire. I am just not 100% certain if any other dbw applications snuck out on these boats so I'd prefer to see a part number of the ecm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mcsd1992 Posted June 18, 2018 Author Members Share Posted June 18, 2018 @MISkier so does that mean that if i don't have an E-controls ECM that i would not be able to add ZO at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mcsd1992 Posted June 18, 2018 Author Members Share Posted June 18, 2018 @BraceMaker seems we posted at the same time haha. Okay. I will get one later when i get home from work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted June 18, 2018 Baller_ Share Posted June 18, 2018 @mcsd1992, if you didn’t have an eControls ECM, you could not add ZO without at least converting to an eControls ECM. That adds substantial cost, The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted June 18, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 18, 2018 Add to it 09 is 100% good for ZO I would have no doubt the thing would be econtrols I'd be 90% if your 197 was a Tournament Team edition as In 08 I believe the TT were all retro dual compatible. Anniversary and base models to me I have no metric for the conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members mcsd1992 Posted June 18, 2018 Author Members Share Posted June 18, 2018 @BraceMaker where can i find the ECM that i need to take a picture of on this model. I knew where everything was on my 01 but not sure if anything's changed (which i'm sure it has) in those 7 years. especially going from an old LTR5.7 to the MCX i'm sure A LOT has changed. i can tell you that the wake has B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted June 18, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 18, 2018 Try sort of above the transmission or off to the drivers side under the exhaust, but I think the MCX has it annoyingly exposed there in the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtjc Posted June 19, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 19, 2018 Post #6 of this thread explains it well: http://www.mastercraft.com/teamtalk/showthread.php?t=27486 "Early 2008 -The world of speed control and tournament skiing is about to be turned upside down by this ZO/PP deal. To make matters worse, ZO and PP are battling over the patent for the GPS differential speed control technology that makes ZO work. PP releases StarGazer. MC releases the 08' TT 197. All 100 boats will have dual installs via the same E-controls multiplug ECM. MC is not allowed to physically install the ZO head into the TT 197 dash, due to some sort of licensing or marketing agreement, probably due to the CC/ZO relationship. TT drivers must do the install themselves. No biggy, takes 5 minutes. Production MCX's still have the standard ECM that cannot talk to ZO. CC promo boats will mostly be ZO. Malibu is in the dark - without the ability to do a ZO install. Summer 2008 - PP and ZO reach an agreement. ZO gets all OEM drive by wire speed control business starting with the 09' model year. Skiers are complaining about early versions of ZO. Diehard perfect pass skiers are flipped out because they can't even upgrade their boats to ZO to practice. The only time they see it is at tournaments or upgrade for 50-60K with a new DBW boat. StarGazer has it's own set of issues. The forums are alive with arguments and bad info." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller vtjc Posted June 19, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 19, 2018 Congrats on the new boat! If your boat has an E-controls ECM that enable a ZO install you may want to consider a current kit or purchasing the single of GPS puck for that older kit. That is the new standard and the software in that older head unit would need to be updated to work with the single puck. http://www.zerogps.com/products/zero-off-gps-antenna.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bdecker Posted June 19, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 19, 2018 @mcsd1992 - I have a friend who upgraded an anniversary edition 08. He definitely swapped the ECM and I think it adds another $500-1000. Someone else has that boat now, but I’m sure @BuoyChaser could help you out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BuoyChaser Posted June 19, 2018 Baller Share Posted June 19, 2018 Correct @mcsd1992 I was told I needed to order the ECM through Indmar at time to get it to match the tuning of the engine. Back then it was $2,000 upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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