Baller SkiJay Posted January 7, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 7, 2017 I once had a close look at my handle in a weird fall at -35 and have used a handle guard ever since. But I've always thought the risk of sticking my head through the handle was negligible until shortline. A couple of days ago I clipped a ball during a -28 pass and fell head over heels. I didn't think much of it—until I saw my pylon photo. People talk about how they'd avoid sticking their heads through the handle by holding or tossing the handle in a safe manner. I wouldn't count on it. I didn't even know I was in danger until I saw this picture. I wasn't pushing any limits when this happened either; I was cruising my opener in calm conditions. And though my imitation of a lawn dart went unpunished this time, I still feel compelled to share this picture showing how far past the handle my head hit the water. The handle is at my left hip, and my head is closer to the boat than my hips. Apparently, it's possible to stick your head through a handle at -28, and probably even at longer line lengths. The moral of this story is that handle protection isn't just for shortline skiers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted January 7, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 7, 2017 WTH? Did the Whale Wars crew drop a prop fouler line at that buoy to catch your fin? Speed bump? 5-ball monster was really hungry that day. Damn. Glad you're OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihacker Posted January 8, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 8, 2017 I once crashed and ended up with the handle behind me, through my armpit, on the way through it hit the inside of my elbow so hard I thought it was shattered. Fortunately a week of rest and ice and it was ok but scared the living #$%& out of me. It was at 28 off and I pretty much run that in my sleep, today it's my opener. I've used handle guards since before then but don't see very many others with them, individual choice I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted January 8, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 8, 2017 It doesn't happen real often but... The more you ski,the greater the chance of it happening. Waterski is like sex.Practice the safe one! :) My ski finish in 16.95 but my ass is out of tolerance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AU_Skier Posted January 8, 2017 Share Posted January 8, 2017 I changed handles this year and added a handle guard for the first time. My thinking is it is essential free insurance with no impact to my skiing. Why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jhughes Posted January 8, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 8, 2017 Just to make me feel better can we call -28 shortline, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jcamp Posted January 8, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 8, 2017 I've always thought the "just toss the handle" argument was a bunch of bull. Some people think physics don't apply the them. They are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gold Member Than_Bogan Posted January 8, 2017 Gold Member Share Posted January 8, 2017 Curse you, Physics!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Sivota Posted January 8, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 8, 2017 Can anyone recommend a 'handle protection' that currently is available [or will be in the spring]? If a stand alone product, what is the best way of attaching it to an existing handle? - cable ties usually leave a sharp protrusion even if clipped short. Would relatively thin bungee cord work? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skihacker Posted January 8, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 8, 2017 Don't blow me in to TW but I've always made mine out of plastic 5 gallon buckets, sand all the edges and corners, and used zip ties, never had issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibackwards Posted January 8, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 8, 2017 Pictures of the best would be nice to see. Please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted January 8, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 8, 2017 I make my own out of Rubbermaid lids. Next time I attach one to my handle I'm going to use trot line instead of zip ties. The best homemade one I've ever seen was made of thin conveyor belt material tied on with trot line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Bruce_Butterfield Posted January 8, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 8, 2017 I use "pet resistant" window screen from lowes or home depot. Easy to work with and attach with zip ties. If it was easy, they would call it Wakeboarding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller adkh2oskier Posted January 9, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 9, 2017 Definitely not for shortline only, and falls happen so fast there is no way to "throw" the handle away from you. I only had my arm go through the triangle once many yrs ago on a -32 fall and it happened so fast I didn't realize what happened until swimming to shore. I was lucky, just a badly bruised forearm and wrist, but it makes you realize how quickly things could have gone much worse. Always ski w a guard now, even open water free skiing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ski6jones Posted January 9, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 9, 2017 I made one out of some thin poly carbonate sheet and attached with some left over bungee laces from some old RADAR bindings. The bungee attachment has worked great now going on third season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted January 9, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 9, 2017 Comment on tossing the handle, I toss my barefoot handle off to the side when doing a barefoot slide drop, and got quite a surprise one time when it must have rebounded off the table edge and smacked me in the leg. Consciously tossing the handle is a good practice (in addition to a handle guard) but it may not end up where you expect it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 InTow handle w/cross-bar, parachord, and a rubber mat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted January 14, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 14, 2017 @Texas6, I was thinking of doing that exact same thing. I asked Brenda if she would put the cross bar closer to the handle, but she said the location was not optional. So, If I do this, I may need a second small/narrow panel above the cross bar and just use the cross bar as the hinge between two panels. I wanted my guard to be within 2.5 inches of the handle for arm protection. I may still do this and order the cross bar with my next handle. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 @MISkier - yep, that's a good idea. I thought about that but also figured eliminating 50% of the space below the cross-bar by filling the triangle, was eliminating at least some of the problem. I've never had a crossbar get in my way, but there is certainly still room for my arm, albeit less room, and no room for my head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted January 14, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 14, 2017 @texas6 best I've seen you should sell as an accessory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blinddog Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Is there some place I can buy one of these or do I have to make it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted January 21, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 21, 2017 If you are handy with tools make one. I made my first one from a plastic homer bucket. Currently using FM's handle guard. Have had it on my handles now for over 5 years as do all of team Seal Handles. Stephen had the hardest time adjusting but in slalom I think it did give him better handle control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wannabeballer Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 made this guard by cutting out cardboard then my brother in law had it cut out using a cnc machine at the local college. Works great more than enough room for arm and it was easy putting in N or had a RADAR put in for my radar rope. Plastic was cheap and if you know somebody that has access to a cnc that should be cheap too only took 10 min to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Justin_C Posted January 21, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 21, 2017 A friend I ski with just uses duct tape. Works great, easy and cheap. Basically just doubled over on itself. I've been meaning to do it to my handles for a while now, just haven't gotten around to it (famous last words). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Texas6 Posted January 21, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 21, 2017 I will caution that I haven't been able to keep one of these on yet using zip ties, as they all seem to snap under load and flex. Just might want to try it prior to a big commitment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted January 22, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 22, 2017 @Texas6, I have had no issue with zip ties. Here is one I made out of some HDPE from Grainger. The zip ties are Ty-Rap brand with specific stainless steel tongues. They hold much better than the generic versions at Home Depot, etc. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DaveD Posted January 22, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 22, 2017 Be careful with the zip ties. A lot of them do not have UV stabilizers in them so they will become brittle over time. You might want to replace them on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted January 22, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 22, 2017 Shouldn't be that much stress on those zip ties if the triangle is sized right, and positioned correctly. If the triangle is too small and it pulls the line inward when slack, then under stress it will pull on them.....tie off the rope and put tension on the handle as you size the triangle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller auskier Posted January 23, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 23, 2017 whatever happened to that TW guy from east russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller igkya Posted January 23, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 23, 2017 @auskier, that's funny. I reached out to him a few time times several years back, he never responded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted January 24, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 24, 2017 I just ordered the fluid motion guard. Less than $35 including shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller aussiemc Posted January 24, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 24, 2017 We had an incident the weekend just gone at the Australian Junior Masters. I was driving the under 21's men's slalom with a skier rounding 6 ball @35off. I felt a sudden jerk on the rope and looked in the mirror to see him spinning flat in the air, above the water. Got back to him and jumped in to help him. He had been grabbed at the back of the head by the handle (it was bent) If that handle had got down to his neck I'd hate to think of the outcome. my opinion is we really need to mandate handle protectors in our sport. I have had one for about 4 years, (bought it through ball of spray @Brewski) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Marco Posted January 25, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 25, 2017 Plus one on @ Brewski guards. I have one of his originals. He told me last fall that he would have a new, patented version out by Christmas, but haven't heard anything since. Hopefully he is able to get them to market! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiJay Posted January 26, 2017 Author Baller Share Posted January 26, 2017 Another vote of encouragement for @Brewski here. Mr. Wayne has stopped responding to all of his known email addresses for nearly two years now, and I've tried over a dozen times. Clearly he no longer cares. You can put me down for two the day you're ready @Brewski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted January 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2017 Was there something particularly great about brewski's? The fluid motion looks good, is available, and inexpensive... I'll see in person soon. Fluid Motion handle guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted January 26, 2017 Baller_ Share Posted January 26, 2017 I bought probably my last TW handle guard from @SkiJay. This was after TW stopped answering emails and kept the $55 I paid for a guard I never received. For the moment, I am using that last guard and making my own. I would like to see some new options out there. The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller slvrbulit Posted January 26, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 26, 2017 I have the fluid motion guards on my older handles and on my inTow handle I have Brenda's bar going across. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller david_ski Posted January 31, 2017 Baller Share Posted January 31, 2017 I have been using the FM guards for the last 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted February 1, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 1, 2017 Just received and installed my fluid motion guard. Took a week and 1 day to get from canada to florida, not bad for winter shipping.... Ready for the weekend. And, it came with a cool DVD. Don't know if thats a normal thing for them or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KarinaNowlan1 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Nice choice on the FM handle guard. I'm using that one this season. I have seen to many close calls and personally think everyone should use one. :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted February 7, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 7, 2017 @Brewski guard - love mine. Hope he gets it all sorted out so that I can buy another! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScottScott Posted February 7, 2017 Baller Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just did a couple sets over the weekend with the FM guard. They say the center stay can be removed, I'm trying with and didn't notice it at all.....will remove later if it becomes an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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