Baller ozski Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 Just so we are all clear this is it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller SkiJay Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 Proof that technique trumps fin tweaking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 0 + 6. but damn. just, damn... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted February 10, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 Yep a lot of people don't ever run 32 mph... ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 All those years, i was on the wrong ski... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 That is nuts. 32 on a trick ski would scare the snot out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dchristman Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 Fins? We don't need no stinkin' fins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted February 10, 2016 Baller_ Share Posted February 10, 2016 Kinda puts to rest that long line skiers have to pull past the second wake. That's some early edge changing. This is a much later edge change and shorter smear ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 @Wish most long line skiers don't generate the angle that Jason does out of the buoy. If they did they wouldn't be long line skiers they would be capable of running short line. I totally agree the objective is to create speed early and enable an earlier edge change. I don't believe most long line skiers do that and can make the early edge change. Very cool to see the different flips in between each ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 10, 2016 Administrators Share Posted February 10, 2016 Ya know I see the humor in this thread and all the other threads that joke about "Smear" but I have sort of a chip on my shoulder about it. Yes @ozski it is funny. The definition that I heard first was very much of "ah ha moment" for me. For anyone who is yearning for knowledge and reading this forum to actually learn something - the meaning (as I understand it) is totally lost. Makes me want to bring back "Advanced Topics". California Ski Ranch ★ Denali ★ DryRobe ★ Goode ★ KD Skis★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex★ S Lines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwetskier Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 the hardest thing about slaloming on a trick ski is slowing it down enough to turn after the wake. the only two ways i know of for doing that are to do 1 or 2 *s* turns out by the ball or to half side slide / half carve into the turn until the ski slows down enough to crank it the other direction. the second description is what hes doing in that video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 I have a chip on my shoulder about the use of the terms "toe side" and "heel side" for slalom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 10, 2016 Administrators Share Posted February 10, 2016 @jimbrake Good side and bad side are more descriptive? California Ski Ranch ★ Denali ★ DryRobe ★ Goode ★ KD Skis★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex★ S Lines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 @Horton yeah I agree, but Smear is one of those things in slalom, once you understand it, it can make the world of difference, I remember the first time I did it, it was like WOAH what was that... Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 10, 2016 Administrators Share Posted February 10, 2016 @Colebrah You always has some smear in your path to apex but I showed how to induce a lot of smear. Everyone has some smear or "over steer" between edge change and apex. @Chris Rossi put the idea in my head. I am not 100% sure he defines it a narrowly as I do but I have to credit him for the idea. There is an article somewhere where he explains his version. California Ski Ranch ★ Denali ★ DryRobe ★ Goode ★ KD Skis★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex★ S Lines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 @Horton I know you said you have a bad good side and a good bad side but "good side" and "bad side" are just so simple to understand. Why change it if it's not broken. I have been reading BOS for +3 years and I don't know what side is toe side or heal side? If I am reading an article I should not have to google toe side to understand what is being said. (just my 2 cents from a guy who can slalom almost as good as that guy does on a trick ski) Man that's crazy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 10, 2016 Administrators Share Posted February 10, 2016 @Bill22 heel side = on side = 2/4/6 RFF For the record I like heel side and toe side better but have completely given up trying to promote those terms California Ski Ranch ★ Denali ★ DryRobe ★ Goode ★ KD Skis★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex★ S Lines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 @Horton and what is wrong with on side/off side? I do like heel/toe side but I realize most people have to think too much about it when someone mentions it. I will say I do not like the terms good/bad side. I have been known to turn my off side much better than my on side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 10, 2016 Administrators Share Posted February 10, 2016 @MattP i can't care anymore California Ski Ranch ★ Denali ★ DryRobe ★ Goode ★ KD Skis★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex★ S Lines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted February 10, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 10, 2016 @MattP on/off does make more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deke Posted February 11, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 11, 2016 I like backside and frontside... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted February 11, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 11, 2016 @Horton - I'm not actually advocating for any specific terms. I don't really care that much. I was just being a little tongue in cheek about "having a chip". I do have an actual chip on my shoulder about someone thinking snowboarding is somehow more fun or cool than skiing. A huge chip. Or SUP being a good way for a beginner to learn to surf. Or Chipotle being Mexican food. Or Kirkwood being better than Squaw. Those are my chips. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwetskier Posted February 11, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 11, 2016 @jimbrake -we have always used ' on side ' and ' off side ' and will continue to do so. the nice thing about it is when you run into some guy like horton who tries to push toe side / heel side on the rest of us you can simply explain that your system references only the ' heel ' part. ' on side ' means you are *on* your heels, and ' off side ' means you are *off* your heels. doesn't leave a lot of room for rebuttal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted February 11, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 11, 2016 So which side has more smear: offside, toe side, or frontside? Lol! Oh wait. This thread was about trick skiing, right? So, it's the side slide... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 11, 2016 Administrators Share Posted February 11, 2016 @mwetskier http://media.tumblr.com/fe497dd337d9af8479bb6398b9565d16/tumblr_inline_mg6n5ltl6X1rxe4lt.gif California Ski Ranch ★ Denali ★ DryRobe ★ Goode ★ KD Skis★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex★ S Lines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ozski Posted February 11, 2016 Author Baller Share Posted February 11, 2016 I've done it again, another Panda thread. I'm on fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted February 11, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 11, 2016 Hear ye, hear ye. Let it be known throughout the land (and the lakes - and rivers and bays and such) that the two sides of the slalom course will now be referred to as...the "big toe" and "little toe" sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bill22 Posted February 11, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 11, 2016 man did anyone see that guy on the trick ski..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 19skier Posted February 11, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 11, 2016 I think Tom King clarified "smear" 15 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mwetskier Posted February 11, 2016 Baller Share Posted February 11, 2016 @Bill22 -guy on a trick ski? who cares -i just picked up another panda for my collection ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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