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I heard Fred jumped 247 & Dodd jumped 240 - 241.

 

Any slalom scores?

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I saw 246 on the board for Freddie, maybe I missed something. Taylor had at least two jumps over 200. I saw 208 the jump before the 216. I've been watching him jump recently and he (obviously perhaps) is really skiing well. I also saw Nate hanging around playing with some younger kids. They all looked like they were having fun. How cool is that?

 

It rained pretty hard in the morning. I wasn't there until the afternoon, but I wouldn't have wanted to ski in that weather. Heading back over shortly.

 

Boy, if you haven't been to Isles of Lake Hancock lately, you wouldn't recognize the area surrounding it. I used to get to ski there often, but haven't been there in maybe four years or so. I couldn't find it without my GPS. The location of the former highway has changed to accommodate massive development around the ILH property. I also used to ski at Freddie and Karen's house a lot when the Nevilles owned it. That lake, which used to have a pretty remote feel to it, is now surrounded by development. It may only be a matter of time before the "noisy" skiers are tossed out. I hope that's not the case.

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What amazes me is the homes on the land between the two lakes. They are mansions with beautiful views of the two lakes and no access. None. Not allowed a dock, boat, no club membership nothing. They can only watch the fun for the most part.
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@ChadW There is method to the madness!! more then likely these divisions are broken like that so as that boats and skiers can be matched up with out violating the same boat for division rule.

up until a year or so ago the rule was pushed and open men and women in a weekend REL tournament would commonly get split because some skiers claimed they had to ski behind their sponsors boat...... IW, IM are top speed events and records can still be broke and can stand as open records. The rule has since been re-defined, Next round Reggie may ski women 2 as her preferred boat may not pull the next rd of IW or OW, again a top speed division and she could potentially break a world record. Hope this helps.

 

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@Jody_Seal mmm,, The new IWWF rule (10.01 g) was bought to my attention after one of our Tournaments this year as we used two boats/round n.b. a DIVISION is different to a ROUND. Thoughts????

 

For Jumping and Slalom, identical boats must be used by contestants in an event. Different boat could be used in each round of the competition, but not different boats within one round. For Tricks, the skier may select any one of the types of boats chosen for the tournament. Two teams of drivers and boat officials may be assigned to the Trick event at the option of the Chief Judge. The driver may be changed by the Chief Judge if he deems it necessary due to the length of the event. The Chief Judge may decide to use alternating identical boats to eliminate lost time and to speed up the running of the event.

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@DUSkier "Different boat could be used in each round of competition, but not different boats within one round." I think the discussion above is related to offering different boats based on the division, not the rounds and that the skier can choose which division they desire to be in and ultimately which boat. Ex - deciding whether to ski Open Women vs Women 2 in a round since Open Women is pulled with a MasterCraft and Women 2 is pulled by Centurion during a round.
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@John Brooks I understand the different divisions to get a different boat BUT that is not how the rule reads though,,, i.e. OW, W2 and W3 in their first round must all ski behind the same boat, for round 2 the boat could be changed to another make. From my understanding of the rule what was done is not allowed????? Unless they are changing divisions between rounds??????
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OW, IW and W1 are all separate divisions and therefore can use different boats. A qualified skier who is within the age range of W1 can ski in any of these divisions. So if you use Nautique for OW, Mastercraft for IW and Maibu for W1 you've effectively given that "group" of skiers a choice of boats.
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@klindy did you read the above rule? It refers to rounds not divisions, this is a new IWWF rule that came in last year, maybe people are unaware of this? The only way I can see getting around this rule is to change divisions between rounds.
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@DUSkier @MattP is correct. It's always possible to switch boats between divisions. Remember the used rule book is largely written for "world championships" of various types so sometimes, at least to me, the language is a bit obtuse.
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@MattP @klindy if thats the case why have the rule at all???? I find it VERY unlikely that the word round was used in two different ways in the one sentence.

At a World Championships there would only be one make of boat anyway.

I certainly hope a clarification of this rule comes along quickly as it would be a shame for a potential WR be denied due to it =/

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@DUSkier the rule came about when skiers who have boat sponsors were switching boats within lets say OM division and skiers were getting through 41. It was grey area in the rules but this clears it up.

Different boat could be used in each round of the competition (Round 1,2,3), but not different boats within one round (OM, OW, IM, IW, M1, M2, Ect.).

 

Could the wording be cleared up? A little I guess but I think it works.

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The whole thing is ridiculous. These events are not competitions but a chance to chase records and scores for rankings. This is not a bad thing. So why force them to manipulate the system to ski behind their sponsor boat. This is another example of the people who make the rules not supporting the skiers and the boat manufactures who support the sport.

 

Can we finally stop trying to have a single rule book for amature and professional. Define what a pro is and set rules to support them. And make it so skiers cant jump back and forth. You are either pro or not and for the whole ski year.

 

Why cant we do this? Its because the leadership of the IWWF have a strangle hold on the whole process. Ever try and change a IWWF rule? I have never heard of anyone even doing it. A few people want to control the sport and they wont give it up until they die I guess.

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Rule 3.01 Amateur and Professional Status

There shall be no distinction between amateurs and professionals.

AWSA rule book.

 

End of story unless the majority of the membership can get together and make that change.

 

Over the years I have come to recognize "a" big problem in our sport! having been a part of and pushed for junior development I have come to recognize that the Junior development programs are all fine and dandy but if there is not a viable pro level for these juniors to strive and become pro's the fruits of our labor and resources are in vain. Yes there are a very very small number of skiers that came through the programs and have become successful but for the most percentage these young skiers do not even make it to the men / women 1 divisions.

Had we taken some of these Jr Development resources and put them towards building a true pro level we might have more juniors staying in the sport.

 

Again complaining here on BOS does get some notice but unless you as members show up to your state, regional and national meetings in Masses these "ridiculous" rules and the "few people" will continue to control the sport!

 

 

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@Jody_Seal, I get the participation thing and do participate at the state, and regional levels and understand how things get done at the national level in the US, but I don't have any idea how all of this works at the world level - the ridiculous rule discussed above is an IWSF rule. How does one go about participating and/or becoming active in that process? It seems like the same people have been in charge at that level for a long time.
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@disland and @Jody_Seal you guys have some excellent points and thought provoking ideas.

 

There is a(nother) task group,

or whatever the official designation is, which is an offshoot of the committee that looked at ways to increase participation at the U.S. Nationals. The current task group doesn't have a lot of structure in the sense that "this" is acceptable to discuss and "that" isn't. Rather it's wide open to see if we can find ways to increase membership, increase participation, inprove competition, etc. Again anything is open to discuss and we've received a few excellent ideas and thoughts from around the communitee.

 

I'll make sure some of these ideas make it to the table. Clearly this is a U.S. effort and does not involve IWWF directly but I'd like to think there some potential for influence.

 

Sorry go hijack the thread but felt it was important with the above comments.

 

Personally I agree with @disland. There are and should be events in which the goal is to provide the best conditions possible to challenge world (and even National) records. For the pros in our sport it's critical they get the opportunity to take that chance while supporting the sponsors that pay them, support them or otherwise make it possible for them to dedicate the time and effort required to get to and stay at the top. Any of these athletes would be foolish to set a record behind a competing boat brand regardless of there's a contract in place or not.

 

Likewise, while it would be awesome of its possible, we need to recognize that it's highly unlikely we'll ever see a world record set at the US Masters, Moomba, Malibu, the US Open or any of the World Cup sites. They tend to maximize spectator appeal or some other important priority and place skier performance somewhat secondary. I'm not debating whether that's good or bad, just a matter of current fact. Certainly it's possible to have both but I suspect that'll be few and far between.

 

So perhaps Dave's right. Let's have a set of rules that applies to the pros and another that applies to the rest of us. Most will be exactly the same but some - like the boat brand per round/event rule - may be sensible to make different.

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@klindy

First the rule 3.01 has to be addressed to make rules that apply different to identified pro's than amateurs. This has been addressed as far back as the early 60's when a young group asked AWSA to make the distinction. Had that been done then we probably would have a better pro level today.

 

As the sports elite/ pro level promoters of the sport Mr. Garcia, April Coble,Darren Robertson, Nautiques, Malibu and MasterCraft has the right idea as far as putting together tournaments for the pro level however they are ham strung in many way's because of some of the sport ridiculous rule's. I would not be surprised if many future pro event's go outlaw and put the AWSA/IWWSF sanction money's back into the cash for the winners. especially in event's where records are potentially not going to happen.

 

Steve Garcia and his group put together a great little tournament for the skier's, wish I could have been their to spectate.

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