EF23 Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I'm in the market for a SN 200. However I'm curious as to which engine to go with, the 5.7 or the 6L? Any advice would be much appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller webbdawg99 Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 If you've got the dough....6.0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadW Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 @EF23 I asked the same question last year. I ended up buying a 6L promo, no regrets for me. http://www.ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/10863/sn-200-5-7l-or-6l-for-34-mph-slalom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller dbutcher Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 @scotchipman I've noticed the same thing. Most 6.0L 200's run the Acme 668 prop. Most 5.7L 200's run the Acme 654. The 668 has a .150 cup. The 654 has .105 cup. My theory is that the heavier cupping makes the slalom wake feel harsher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 Go 6 liter, the wake issue is BS. There could be a ton of other variables that attribute to the wake difference. Amount of gas, people in boat, weight in the bow etc.., Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skinut Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 I have a 6.0 with the 422 prop. I can't tell a difference in wake with a 5.7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 Try the 668, you will like it better. The 422 is way to soft and sluggish. The AWSA approved props are the 668 and 654. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted March 31, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted March 31, 2015 I have a 200 for sale. 6 liter, 400 hours! CB Mapple edition... Price is right! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller swc5150 Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 Unless you're at a high altitude, or need a jump tug, I don't see the need for the 6.0. If money were no issue, sure I'd order the 6.0, but the 5.7 does everything I ask of it, and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skinut Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 @swc5150 has a good point. But if you are above 4000 feet you'll want the 6.0. Our lake is 4500 ASL and the lake is 2100 feet. I don't know if the 5.7 would be able to get the boat up to speed with that length of lake. I know there was a new PS with the 5.7 that couldn't get up to speed by the time it hit the 55's. I've skied at higher elevations and the 200 is a dog so more HP is better the higher you go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skinut Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 @skierjp I have the 668. It does have a better hole shot but not noticeably. I think the 422 has a better wake than the 668. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiep Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 I have had both and 6L uses less fuel hands down!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Wolfeie Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 I have 2011 5.7 promo boat. Does everything I need it to do. 99% of my pulls are 34 mph or below. If you have a lot of 36 mph skiers go with 6.0. 5.7 really screams at 36 mph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted March 31, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted March 31, 2015 Early on I always liked the 5.7 better but now they feel the same if I move the ZO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MAD11 Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 @ms what settings do you use on each one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 Agree with the good gas mileage with the 6 liter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted March 31, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted March 31, 2015 B1 on the 5.7 and C1 on the 6.0L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ The_MS Posted March 31, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted March 31, 2015 I never feel in sync with B1 on the 6L. It always felt spongy like I had a bad rope or somthing. C1 changed all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gsm_peter Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 @skiep What would you estimate fuel savings to be? And at what speed? Type x% per 34 mph 6 passes run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skialex Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 @MS I'm sory, I touch my phone's screen and press "disagree" by accident! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Gloersen Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 6.0 L also with inherent closed fresh water (anti-freeze fluid throughout block and manifolds) cooling. This may be an advantage in some situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skierjp Posted March 31, 2015 Baller Share Posted March 31, 2015 Fuel savings is kind of a oxymoron when talking about boating. It's like asking your Dodge dealer what the gas mileage is on a Viper. The 6 liter is better on fuel usage because it operates at roughly 300 RPMs less then the 5.7. But you would have to buy a lot of gas and keep the boat a long time to make up for the cost of the engine. Buy the 6 liter you won't be sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller mbabiash Posted April 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 2, 2015 Are there any disadvantages to getting a closed cooling system other than price? I saw a used 6L with closed cooling for sale in Miami and I was curious if it was used in salt water. If so, is that bad even on a closed system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted April 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 2, 2015 All 6.0s are closed cooling. You'd rather have that in brackish or salt water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ MISkier Posted April 2, 2015 Baller_ Share Posted April 2, 2015 @ShaneH, How do they do a shower with closed cooling? I assume the heater option would be the same HeaterCraft as for the open system? The worst slalom equipment I own is between my ears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BRY Posted April 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 2, 2015 I have a 2011 5.7 Great boat, no plans to change till something better comes along. When I bought it (Dec 2010) I had skied the 5.7 but not the 6.0. Was tempted to get the 6.0 but all advice was it didn't ski as well. Now, having skied lots of 5.7's and 6.0's I would go 6.0 hands down. IMHO the 200 and the 6.0 is a match made in heaven. I am 200+ and into 38 and I think the 6.0 is smoother, less swing. I think 5.7 gets pulled down a little more of ZO has to add a little more. Not that the 5.7 is bad, it is very, very good, just the 6.0 is better. Closed cooling is also better, all PCM 6.0's have it (not on MC though). Even in fresh water any silt, sand and so forth you may suck up never gets in your engine. Engine also stays wet during storage. Worst comes to worst replacing a pump and heat exchanger is way cheaper than a re-power or new boat. 6.0 all the way if you can swing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Johnson Posted April 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 2, 2015 @mbabiash It is my understanding that ALL CC 6L's come with the closed cooling..That is the way my 2011 CC200 6L came, and I am glad it did, with the all aluminum engine. Also, having had both MC and CC boats when I lived in Hawaii, it was esential to have the closed cooling system..It still helped to flush after use in salt water, regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChadW Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 @MISkier The 6L still uses fresh water to cool the heat exchanger. I would guess the shower would draw from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caleb_Folson Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Any one have an idea of top end speeds for a 5.7L and 6.0L CC 200 I've started to get into barefooting in the last 3 years. I'm thinking a 6.0L is what I would want but just curious to see what people have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skiinxs Posted April 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 2, 2015 I have had one 5.7 200 and am on my 5th 6.0 200. 5.7 Data: With the stock (in 2010) 12.5X14.25 approved prop after break-in it would run 39.9 mph gate down and 41.1 gate up (rev limiter limited with gate up). With a 12.5x15 (current approved prop for the 5.7) it would run 40.9 gate down and 42.6 gate up (NOT rev limiter limited). Once I topped 100 hours and switched to Royal Purple synthetic oil (I like to get at least 100 hours of break-in before I go synthetic to ensure they are completely broken in) it would run 43.4 gate up. This was a back-to-back test at the lake, same day, same wind, same temp. I made a top speed runt at 42.6 on Dino oil, changed the oil to Royal Purple synthetic then ran a top speed run of 43.4. 6.0 Data: All five of my 6.0's would run 47 or better with the gate up. My '14 and '15 both seemed a little stronger, running 49 or slightly more. The 6.0 is a MUCH better match for the 200. I highly recommend it. Also, if you are going to be barefooting, it is the only way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Kelvin Posted April 2, 2015 Baller Share Posted April 2, 2015 I can confirm @skiinxs numbers. I have a 2010 5.7 with 890 hours - it will run 43.6 on Royal Purple with the gate up and the 654 Prop (12.5x15). I also have a 2011 6.0 with 1300 hours - it will run 49.3 on Royal Purple with the gate up and the 668 Prop (12.5x15.5 with .150 cup). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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