SN 200 - 5.7L or 6L for 34 mph Slalom?

[ChadW]

I'm trying to decide between a 5.7L or a 6L Nautique 200. The boat will be used at sea level for slalom at 34mph, no jumping. I plan to have the boat for a long time. Will I regret not getting the 6L?

[E_T]

5.7L

[Jody_Seal]

You will regret not getting a 6 liter in a 200! best damn match since bread and butter! step up pay the little extra for the 6 liter put a 668 ACME or even better a 428 OJ on it you will never regret it!

 

[GAJ0004]

I have heard the 6 liter is easier on gas and a more durable engine.. Is that true? I would think the extra power would come in handy for barefooting.. Any idea on the top speed of a 200 with the 6 liter engine vs the 5.7?

 

[GAJ0004]

Would the 450 HP be overkill on a 200?

[Jody_Seal]

@GAJ0004 If you are above 2500 feet the 450 is the ticket. All I can say is that the 6 liter in the 200 is a very efficient power plant for that hull. Over the last few years many promo owners have (especially in the southern region ) moved over to the LS package and have claimed they should have done it earlier. Currently any world records sustained behind a 200 were 6 liter boats. Check these scores out http://www.usawaterski.org/rankings/view-scoresHQ.asp?tour_id=14C046R&sTourSportsGroup=AWS&action=tourscores.

http://www.usawaterski.org/rankings/view-scoresHQ.asp?tour_id=14C047R&sTourSportsGroup=AWS&action=tourscores

A large percent of the ELR scores were pulled with a 6 liter 200 Nautique. Chets record Andy ran 41 three times. CP on track the list goes on!!!!

[Horton]

For some reason I like the 6.0 better too

[ozski]

I ski 34mph behind both 5.7 and 6.0 (-32 / 35) and the only give away from the skiers perspective is the tower on the 5.7 IMO. They are both great ski boats so to answer your question you won't regret buying a 5.7 unless your looking for bragging rights? Now while on this subject the person here with the most hours behind the wheel of both the 5.7 and 6.0 said to me last week he thinks the 5.7 is better out of the hole, possibly a setup difference so I will check the props next time they are out of the water.

[skierjp]

No question 6 liter!!! 5 out of my 6 promos in Florida are 6 liters, I'm one of them. We didn't spend the extra money for bragging rights. The 6 liter is awesome.

[dave2ball]

This is the first year I have had a 6ltr in my 200 promo boat best move I ever made. It's the perfect fit.

[GAJ0004]

I do some barefooting, so I was thinking the extra power would come in handy for acceleration. If I do spend the money on a new boat I want to make sure it can keep up with the boats that come after it. My boat is 20 years old this year and it has 1700 hours on it. I was thinking the extra power would give the boat longevity to keep it from being considered obsolete. By today's standards my boat's 240 HP is obsolete. The configuration I pick would also take maintenance into consideration(including storage and winterizing).

[GAJ0004]

I was thinking about the 409.. The 450 would be too expensive, but would be fun

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[dave2ball]

if you are going to foot you need the 6ltr. 5.7 wont cut it.

[Kelvin]

5.7 with 654 Prop has a max speed of about 44 mph. 6.0 with the 668 prop has a max speed of about 49 mph. For footing, the 6.0 is the way to go.

[behindpropellers]

@GAJ0004‌

 

Your welcome to come ski our 200 with 6.0 sometime if you want, just PM me.

 

Tim

[Ed_Johnson]

Went through the same decision when ordering my 2011 Team CC in 2010....Andy Mapple talked me into the 409 back then and he was RIGHT...My ski partner has the 5.7 in his 2012 CC and there is no comparison..The 409 has less vibration, better gas mileage, Tracks better, and has a Hell of a lot more acceleration.

 

PS: Top speed is 47 mph, 654 prop, Bimini up.

[mylemsky]

@Ed_Johnson with the 656 how is it out of the hole? Can you be gradual or do you have to drop hammer?

[GAJ0004]

@behindpropellers Thanks! Where are you located?

[kstateskier]

I took two sets tonight behind a 200 with the 5.7L. Both were TOP NOTCH. I drove a set as well and it was great! Never an issue with hole shot or power band. Solid boats!

[behindpropellers]

Gary,

 

About an hour west of you on 80.

 

Tim

[Ed_Johnson]

@mylemsky...You better be gradual !!!! If you drop the hammer you'll be taking a pair of ARMS with you...This thing is a dragster that looks like a ski boat.

 

The Beach Boys said it best, "SHES REAL FINE MY 409."

 

 

 

[GAJ0004]

I would also have to figure out which prop works best for trick skiing(no turbulence on the table).

[skierjp]

That would be the stock 668. Erica Lang would be able to vouch for the trick wake!!!!!!

[GAJ0004]

I would think the more powerful engine would give you a smoother pull through the course. Since there is more torque the skier is less likely to slow the boat down when pulling across the wakes or when loading up in the rope after the finish of the turn so the ZeroOff does not have to apply as much throttle to hold the speed or less RPM swing giving you a more true constant speed. Does that make sense or am I talking crazy?

[DanE]

©GAJ0004 That would be true if the smaller engine had insufficient power for pulling slalom.

Probably has more to do with a different choice of prop.

[ozski]

5.7's are by no means short on power..

[skosney]

Some of the best rides I've had in the Zero Off era has been behind a 6L 200. I'm a bit old school and find myself over-loading rope from time to time and the 6L has always be very kind to me.

[Jim5]

I have a 2013 SN-200 5.7, it is more than satisfactory. If you're skiing shortline (28 or shorter), the correct prop is important - 15.5 pitch. It is a little less harsh on the skier when ZO adjusts in the course.

[ChadW]

Thanks for the comments. I decided to go with the 6L.

[Chad_Scott]

6 litre no doubt. The 5.7 turns too many rpm and is always on you. The 6 litre is a sweet pull and still gives you the swing. No doubt go with the 6

[Wolfeie]

I have a 2011 5.7 openbow which was a former promo boat. Boat is going 34 mph 95% of the

time in Bako, which is pretty much sea level. Pulled another owner yesterday whom has the

6.0 closed bow. Only difference was the rpms were lower at 34 mph. Actually my boat tracks better because the 6.0 engine is lighter and with the closed bow (also lighter) it seems the 6.0

is riding a little higher on the water.

 

I don't know what the dollar difference is between the two, but the 5.7 has done all that I need

for a slalom boat.

[SkiJay]

It's a bit ridiculous to suggest any cc 5.7 is anything less than awesome unless higher than 4,000 asl.

[kstateskier]

My buddy in Orlando has a 10' CC 200 with a 5.7 and its a dream to drive and ski behind even on his short setup. @SkiJay‌ is right its ridiculous to suggest they aren't good boats.

[ChadW]

@kstateskier‌ I don't think anyone is suggesting they aren't good boats. My question was one of preference. I've skied both and like both. At the end of the day I decided on the 6L, but that in no way means the 5.7 is a bad boat or skis poorly.

[BlueSki]

I think the right comparison if I am buying is 6L vs. 5.7L and $5,000 to spend on gas and new skis. Now if we are discussing what a friend should buy, always max out the spending.

[ChadW]

@BlueSki You can justify or not justify purchases many ways, we do it almost daily. I justified the 6L by buying a Promo, it was roughly the same cost as a new 5.7L and virtually all of the promos in Florida are 6L. Now I just need to sell my 196. I'll make somebody a great deal!

 

http://www.ski-it-again.com/php/skiitagain.php?topic=Search&category=Comp_Boat&postid=28564

[kstateskier]

@ChadW‌ good lookin boat GLWS

[blakeyates]

I pull some pretty good skiers in GA at 34 & 36 mph with my Promo Boat (2014 Ski 5.7) and it gets many compliments. I believe the feel behind the 5.7 may be that of giving the skier a minimal amount of "give-and-take" where the 6.0 is a harder pull with less "give-and-take," meaning the rope behind the 6.0 may be more like a cable if this analogy makes any sense. You won't regret having a 5.7 but if you can afford a 6.0, that too is a good choice, especially since it's a Nautique.

[Ghibli]

If you crave a softer, easier pull and setup is not an issue, just put a 422 on your 5.7 and keep your money. If you want your 6.0 to feel similar to a 5.7, run a 654 .

[dave2ball]

The 6.0 has a softer pull because it is turning less RPM's. I have had 5.7's for all my promo

200's except here in 14. The pull is more predictable and smoother as you load the boat. The 5.7 is a great motor the 6 Liter just fits the hull design better.

[GAJ0004]

I wonder what a 6.0 could do in my 1994 Ski Nautique. I have read some posts about the 5.7 in boat like mine which that engine has turned an old boat into a rocket.

[DW]

@Gary: A nice Hp boost does a nice transformation on an older boat. I've bumped my mill up quite a bit and as you noted, it does make it in to a rocket.

[Ilivetoski]

This is what Nate told me about a 6.0 vs. 5.7

"you do not need a 6.0 unless you are pulling jumpers in the 170's" IMO you will never be unhappy with a 200, and 5.7 is cheaper and therefore will be easier to resell

[acmx]

NEED vs WANT

Of course you don't NEED a 6.0 but the point is, people are saying the 6.0 FEELS better which is something we all WANT !!

[Marco]

In Colorado, you will NEED a 6.0 if you are pulling 36, or if you are pulling 34 on a short set up.

[John Brooks]

I notice going from 5.7 to 6.0, I change my ZO settings. With 5.7 like C2 & with 6.0 like B2.

[jipster43]

I ski behind a 5.7 here in Montana (4500 feet), and it has no troubles getting up to 36mph. The pull feels incredible. If the 6.0 feels even better, that would be a remarkable boat!

[jipster43]

@scotchipman I just checked the Helena elevation and it turns out it is significantly lower than I thought. It sits at 3875 - not 4500. However, the 5.7 pulls all speeds within tolerance at this elevation on a 2200' lake with turn islands.

 

[dave2ball]

I was posted earlier that Nate Smith said a baller that all you need is a 5.7 unless your jumping 170 or grater well ask him what motor he has in his? its a 6.0LTR