Baller DanE Posted June 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2014 2 questions for u guys using Reflex boot(s). Do you use an orthotic insole or something similar? Standard buckles or the optional Alu buckles? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted June 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2014 Yes and no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MrJones Posted June 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2014 Sorry. Yes for the insole, and I just use the normal straps. Boots are 3 seasons old and no issues. "Superfeet" are really nice insoles at a reasonable price btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jayski Posted June 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2014 Use an front boot w/R style rear, Alum buckles on front, std on rear, Intuition liner in front and R style boot in rear no orthotics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted June 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2014 I have a reflex boot on a trick I rarely use - but I do not have room in the reflex shell for an insert and my form-able liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted June 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2014 No orthotic and normal buckles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skosney Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 no orthotics (yet) and I'm using the standard buckles. I think they work just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted June 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2014 @skosney - they work fine but... the aluminum ones are repeatable, you don't put the boot on and try to guess if it is too tight or loose. I'm trying to find ~5 to do my slalom boots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ColeGiacopuzzi Posted June 11, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 11, 2014 I use a intitution liner, and then the normal buckles! Radar Skis Follow Instagram Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skosney Posted June 11, 2014 Share Posted June 11, 2014 @BraceMaker - So far it hasn't been an issue in terms of fit. I run the bottom and top buckles relatively loose and crank down the middle one. I have thought about putting a mark on each but so far I've been getting a consistent fit based on feel. Mine is on my slalom with a RTP. A friend of mine has the aluminum buckles on his boot and next time we ski together I was going to give it try. I will say this, there is no really rocket science to installing those aluminum buckles if I decide to do my own upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ScarletArrow Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 I'm with @ral no orthotic and normal buckles. I tried superfeet, but it made the shell too tight around my foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gsm_peter Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 Maybe a sligetly off topic question. If so sorry! Is it feasible to make the shells wider? Similar to heatmold slalom boots? (My feets are wider in the front than the outside of the shells) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DanE Posted June 12, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 @gsm_peter Good question, I also would like to know (guess I really had 3 questions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gsm_peter Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 I would guess it is feasible. I do not have Reflex (yet) but i would bring them to the ski store that offers boot fitting. If there is sufficient material it should be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 I would not recommend "a priori" heat molding the Reflex boots. The amount of material is far lower than in a snow ski boot, it does not have a solid structural base, so it would be very easy to compromise the boot integrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 I have a scrap boot laying around at home. I'll give it a go tonight and post results. My initial guess is that the material used is not super appropriate for heating and punching it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 no insole and normal buckles I cut the straps down so they are not so long and I count clicks so they are same each time 2 clicks on the bottom buckle 4 on the middle and 8 on the top I have big ankle bones so I punch the boot no problem. the boot just does not take as much heat as a snow ski boot to get the plastic hot enough to change shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 I have wide fore feet. I heat mold my hardshell boots. They work fine for me. But I do not use the Reflex release. The structural integrity of the boot is not needed for my release and is critical for Reflex. If you are careful you might be able to heat mold the shell. A better idea might be to get a bigger shell and an Intuition liner. Heat mold the liner (with an orthotic bed?) for a perfect fit. A snow ski boot fitter should be able to do a great job of this. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 I would not heat mold the whole shell I only spot heat and punch where needed. bigger shell? no way that's not an option for an ex ski racer that likes tight boot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 @Deanoski Intuition liners have a lot more volume and integrity than the stock Reflex liner. You will not be getting a sloppy fit with a bigger shell and a molded Intuition liner. I use Intuition style liners - they rock! Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Deanoski Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 eleeski I know about intuition liner they are soft and squishy, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 "Soft and squishy"? The Intuition liners are orders of magnitude better than any of the stock waterski liners. I have modified Rollerblade liners by replacing the foam but the Intuition liners have more comfort and a better feel. I'm also not sure that a tight stiff fit is best for waterskiing. You don't drive into the water, you pressure your feet to get the right balance. My Full Tilt snow ski boots with Intuition liners rock! I can't believe you have worked 25 years in the snow ski industry. I'm so much better than you! GNAR. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 @eleeski - they are a bit soft... by nature of how thick they are. In my read he uses a small shell, forces his foot in to compress a thin stock liner and has shell contact... painful shell contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BraceMaker Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 The verdict. Heat gun + reflex = formable. BUT - it goes crazy gooey. So if you are going to try this I recommend just a small amount of heat, and probably be ready with the liner, on your foot, warm the shell till just slightly flexible and cram in. Since its likely the area by the buckle that you want to relieve be super careful or the buckle slot deforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jipster43 Posted June 12, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 12, 2014 @eleeski full-tilt snow ski boots would have Zip Fit liners! GNAR X 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted June 13, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2014 @jipster43 You're in Montana? You stole all of our good snow this year. I have ladies boots, the Full Tilt Mary Janes, and the liners are definitely Intuition as were my old Full Tilt Bumblebees. I get enough GNAR without needing any uncomfortable liners. The Mary Janes sucked until I got them heat molded with an orthotic. I haven't heat molded my waterski liners - yet. But I have heated my waterski rollerblade shells enough to turn a left foot into a right foot. They can get real soft when heated. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted June 13, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2014 Real race boots have thin laceable liners and the boot is fit to your foot, not the liner. Not relatable to water ski boots. Different sports different needs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller OKSkier Posted June 13, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2014 Intution liner on Reflex and Strada rear. Regular buckles Just had my first release around 3 ball and the good is that both feet released perfectly-bad news, shin got smashed and bled for the rest of the day. Guess I need a plastic rear shin guard? What are people using for that problem? Heard guys say they get used to the release but I dont understand how that would solve the problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jipster43 Posted June 13, 2014 Baller Share Posted June 13, 2014 @jimbrake you're describing ZipFit liners. @eleeski ahhhh! I thought you were using "full tilt" as an adjective. For the record I much prefer my intuition liners to my zipfits. I'd still like to see a ZipFit liner in a Reflex (bringing it back to the original post). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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