How many people in the world can run 38 off?

[skifan]

Just curious what the consensus might be as to how many people in the world can complete their 38 off pass. Is it 100, 1,000, 10,000? How small is the 38 off club? I know I can't yet but I really want to join.

[Horton]

@skifan you can go to the USAWS site and find the US # pretty easy. You have to poke around and count but that should be easy.

 

That only counts skiers who go to tournaments. Big question is how many can run it but do but post tournament scores.

 

The other problem with this is guys like me who ran their first 38 years before doing it in s tournament.

 

Then there is the fact that everyone runs 38 on the internet. :-)

[skifan]

@Horton, I know I can find the tournament results online but I was trying theoretically figure out how many people have the ability to run the pass, thinking some people who can make it don't ski in tournaments. 35' off seems like a pass that many skiers to get to and make but 38' off seems like a bigger milestone.

[ral]

If you go to the iwsftournament.com site, you will find the number globally.

 

I think that "the club" is joined in tournaments. Like in any other sport.

[9400]

Reading this as who can run a legit 11.25 at 32, 34 or 36 (age group speed appropriate) , my guess would be in the 1000 ball park, maybe as high as 1500.

[MattP]

@ral that list will only include skiers that posted a score through 38 in a L/R round. Limite the numbers but shows who can do it "when it counts".

[Horton]

@9400 I would bet less than 1000

@ral I think if someone only skis class the tournaments they don't show up on the IWSF site.

 

outside of Florida an awful lot of skiers in the US ski mostly class C. I expect to only ski two tournaments next year that are not C

[9400]

@Horton yeah, I was just winging it in a few minutes.....somebody will have to know the answer once they start thinking about it. It would not surprise me if it was less than 1000.

[6balls]

Tough question...seems like it would be a lot when just thinking about local tourney community and I don't ski many tourneys. I can think of close to 10 just regarding MN tourneys...but then at the same time if most states were like MN that would only get to 500 and then I'm sure some states with quite a few more like FL but even that would have a hard time pushing 500 more to make 1000 in the U.S. anyway. Fairly small club, I guess.

[Than_Bogan]

1000 does feel like the right order of magnitude. From current AWSA results it's clearly well more than 100, but there's not going to be another 100x that many who can do it but haven't recently or haven't in a tournament.

 

Pulling from my ass, and claiming confidence to within a factor of 2, I'd guess 500. I.e. 250-1000.

[MattP]

Are we talking at 36 or 34? Two completely different animals I think.

[6balls]

@mattp no kidding!

[Horton]

@ob more than you would think

[GOODESkier]

@Horton ......... ad 2 to what ever number you think, cause @OB and I are knocking on the door!

[Wish]

Make that 3

[GregDavis]

34 mph in a record tournament. 200 to 250, including class C tournaments. 400 to 450,

I only know of one person who can run a legitimate 38 and occasionally run 39, who does not ski in tournaments.

 

36 MPH Fewer for sure, maybe less than 100 in US in Record. Class C 250 ish

 

This is for US only.

 

[RichardDoane]

BIg Dawg Broho is an L, so that @ob and @goodeskier can be silencing all the naysayers

[ozski]

If they run it behind PP and not ZO does that count :)

[Texas6]

If there are a thousand people who can run 38 off, then my inadequacy is officially confirmed. Jeeze, that number just feels high. Please tell me its high?

[GregDavis]

1000 is very high.

[GregDavis]

34 mph in a record tournament. 200 to 250, including class C tournaments. 400 to 450

[webbdawg99]

There ARE over 7 BILLION people on earth.....

[ral]

Clarification: global number = IWSF number + AWSA number - overlap.

[ozski]

Another interesting point to this discussion, how would that number have looked pre 2000? Not that long ago running -38 was actually an impressive feat.

[SMITTY]

My guess would be way higher like maybe 2000 to 3000!

[Wish]

It is still an impressive feat....

[Texas6]

38 is really hard

[Horton]

@ozski‌ it is still a big deal to me every time I run it - practice or tournament

[6balls]

Goofy pass...run it well and wonder why you don't knock it down ALL the time. Don't run it well...feels impossible. Sometimes get in a week-long groove pounding 'em out only to struggle again.

[GregDavis]

34 mph in a record tournament. 200 to 250, including class C tournaments. 400 to 450 In USA /

 

World wide, 300 to 350 at 34 mph, 36 MPH. 125 to 150 in a Record tournament. World wide.

[Ed_Obermeier]

I think that "the club" is joined in tournaments. Like in any other sport.

So if you run a legitimate 38 (or 35 or whatever) in practice with witnesses and good, in tolerance times it doesn't count? I don't ski tournaments so guess I'll never be in "the club". Of course I can't run 38 either so I suppose it's a moot question...

[RichardDoane]

@Ed_Obermeier‌ sounds like you need to enter a tournament in 2014

[ozski]

Yeah of course still impressive but -39 is more or less the new -38 with the advances in ski's boats and cruise.

[RichardDoane]

@ozski - but it's amazing what that little bit of rope difference between 38 & 39 does to your brain

[Onside135]

One of the guys I ski with and I always joke that we can run 38' off at the bar. This has yet to impress the opposite sex...

[swc5150]

Even on the internet, I can't get close to running -38. It's on my bucket list however.

[ntx]

Looks to me like the internet and practice are the same thing. No that does not count. Pay your entry fee and support your local tournament site and see what you can do

[Horton]

I ran 39 in my sleep the other night. I think the time was slow.

[GOODESkier]

To be clear....... I have only run 38 once, and it was practice. Lots of 4 and 5 ball passes. Looking to run 38 this season!

[A_B]

@Horton, better stock up on that sleep while you can..

[ntx]

@horton the time was good but we won't talk about the boat path

[Horton]

@ntx‌ the Panda was driving so the path was good

[RichardDoane]

I was just searching scores for the BD Broho skier list, checking the IWSF scores for a few of the international guys attending, and found @horton in the 35+ men's slalom group, he's #41 in the world with a score of 6 @ -38 BTW

 

@goodeskier, just remember what @chrisrossi says, and that purple loop will not be a problem !

[MattP]

@Hortn 6@38 thats an awful score.

[RichardDoane]

@mattP it's an average of your 2 best E/L/R tournament scores, so he probably had a 4 @ 38, and a 2 @ 39, or something that'd average a 6 @ 38

[MattP]

@richarddoane I know how it works... I just like making fun of @Horton.... even as an average 6@any score sucks

1@39 (61) + 5@38 (59) = 6@38 or 60 buoys

[Horton]

Pretty sure I ran 2 @ 39 & 1@ 39 last year + a terrible 5 @ whatever

[ral]

@Ed_Obermeier‌, you get assurance of good driving path/times/rope lenght/accurate course/gates in tournaments.

 

I guess that anyone that can run consistently 38 off in practice can be considered as running it. I do not think there are too many skiers that are able to run 38 off consistently in practice that do not go to tournaments.

[skifan]

The reason I was asking is my son, who is 16, got to ski with Andy Mapple on Tuesday and saw Andy run a 38 off pass. I want him to realize how special that is.

[Wish]

Andy running 38 off may not be that special. I suspect, other then Nate as time goes on, no one on the planet has run as many as he has.