Baller lpskier Posted January 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 2, 2014 Does anyone have access to the 2013 or 2014 Boat test data? I have some municipal issues to debunk regarding noise associated with an upcoming tournament and could use some supporting data. Thanks! Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted January 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 2, 2014 Sound Level Testing Three-event boats must not produce more than 75 decibels of sound while passing through the slalom course at 34 and 36 mph. Sound levels are recorded through a sound meter at a distance of 125 feet from the course centerline, with readings taken in each direction. The purpose of this test is to make sure these boats are not in violation of generally accepted maximum noise level standards. http://www.usawaterski.org/default.asp?Display=1784 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller chris_logan Posted January 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 2, 2014 @MattP gracias Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted January 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 2, 2014 @Chris_Logan see above and to add 80db- Loud - Noisy office, electric shaver, alarm clock, police whistle 70db-Loud - Average radio, normal street noise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lpskier Posted January 2, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted January 2, 2014 Yes, I have the test criteria. I am looking for the actual test results. For example, 75 dbs sustained is the maximum acceptable noise limit. The tests, however come back with the boats in the 69 db range. 75 dbs is about six times louder than 69 dbs, so there is a big difference between what is allowed and what we actually have, and what we have is better. I need to demonstrate this to a municipal board on Monday latest, so I am looking for the actual data. USAWS headquarters seems to be closed for the holiday. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted January 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 2, 2014 @lpskier Results for boat testing is property of AWSA and the the boat company. It is a Pass Fail System so only. The boat company has the info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klindy Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 That may be true @MattP but in the interest of waterways advocacy and with the permission of the boat manufacturers there may be some additional data available. Too bad no one is available at usaws headquarters to discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldjeep Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 I suppose you don't have any control over the boats that will be used, but a downturn - underwater exit really mellows out the exhaust. If you ski on a "real" lake, the residents really appreciate the toned down noise in the early AM. Not to mention it helps to not gas people on the deck. Something like this: http://www.freshairexhaust.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted January 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 2, 2014 @klindy I'm pretty sure they were in the office today I talked to someone there today but I could be wrong about her actually being in the office. @lpskier you are cutting it pretty close to get the info for your meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lpskier Posted January 2, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted January 2, 2014 @MattP I called Melanie Hanson around 4:00 this afternoon (just before posting on BOS), with no answer, hence my conclusion. Yes, I am cutting it close. However, on December 2, I got all my municipal approvals and was totally good to go. On December 31, I received a letter from a local environmental group raising the complaint, and a notice that I was back on the Village Board's agenda for January 6. I spent most of the day yesterday and a chunk of today putting my response together. Now I am trying to gather the hard data to back up my positions. So the point is, no, I did not wait until the last minute to get on top of this stuff! Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted January 2, 2014 Baller_ Share Posted January 2, 2014 The Test Data may be proprietary to each manufacturer. I think I would approach the boat manufacturer or manufacturers and request that data. They are pretty good about helping out with causes such as this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted January 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 2, 2014 @lpskier contact @The_Krista krogers@usawaterski.org and she said she will get you data for your meeting. I hope it goes well! I take it this on a public water way or in a city area that would have some good exposure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DW Posted January 2, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 2, 2014 @lpskier: I recall some of the Waterski mag boat tests included noise data, they might be of some help. One challenge you will have is how to demonstrate / inform the audience on the effect of tone. A jet ski at the same dB level as a tourney boat is certainly more annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 2, 2014 Administrators Share Posted January 2, 2014 @lpskier you might just contact Will Bush. If he has the authority to give out the data, you will get it immediately. Email me for his contract info. Horton@BallOfSpray.com Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ★ Connelly ★ Denali ★ Goode ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lpskier Posted January 3, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted January 3, 2014 Hey everyone, thanks for the assistance. I spoke with Will Bush yesterday, and received info from the "The Krista" at USAWS today. I was able to collect the info I need. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef23 Posted January 4, 2014 Share Posted January 4, 2014 I think @lpskier is trying to pull together a tournament at a cool site. Hopefully he will let everyone know once he has it pulled together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller gsm_peter Posted January 5, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 5, 2014 I would assume that most boat buyers sooner or later needs offical environmental evidence to defend our sport. For example: - Noice - Fuel consumption. Fully equiped, fuled up boat. Different speeds and line lenght. Defined track. X number of passes. - Polution - Waves..... hmm can this be measured? - Etc. Feel free to add ideas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted January 6, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 6, 2014 @lpskier, we did a professional sound analysis report when building our lake (for environmental permits), it is in Spanish, though. If you want, I can forward it to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lpskier Posted January 8, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted January 8, 2014 @RAL I never say no when people offer me free stuff. Thank you. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The_MS Posted January 8, 2014 Members Share Posted January 8, 2014 @lpskier How did it go with the muni? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller lpskier Posted January 8, 2014 Author Baller Share Posted January 8, 2014 My event is still alive, but there are certain elements out there that would like to see me go away. I should be officially awarded the event this weekend, and then I will enter into a contract with the municipality, and the contract should close the door on further discussion. I think I am pretty safe at this point, but I keep my fingers crossed just in case. The event starts July 31 and it is already a part time job. Thanks for asking, Mark. Lpskier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted January 9, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 9, 2014 I will try to see if I can send it before the 24th, as I am at Orlando visiting Mickey Mouse with the family... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The_MS Posted January 9, 2014 Members Share Posted January 9, 2014 I hope all goes well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dtm Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 This might have been discussed in another thread, but....I just got the Water Skier Magazine with a summary of the boats approved this year. The Centurion is listed as "New". What has been changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller chris_logan Posted January 9, 2014 Baller Share Posted January 9, 2014 @dtm http://ballofspray.com/forum#/discussion/9850/the-all-new-2014-carbon-pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef23 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 @lpskier I let me know how I can help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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