Baller ral Posted September 3, 2013 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2013 In our lake, we have a nice club house and we designed the roof to be walkable, among other things, to be able to have the Judges Control Center there. See Pic. Well, for tourneys we have state of the art equipment, with gate cameras, boat tracking camera, and path camera, all feeding a DVR that can do fast reviews of all of them. But if we want to place the judges over the club house, for an L or R tournament under IWSF, we need to have two elevated judges at a 44 angle from each gate... Because it is not located between buoys 3 and 4. So I need to put a central platform between bouys 3 and 4 for every tournament... Does AWSA have this as well? I know that in the Greater Miami ski club they have a Control Center that is not located between 3 and 4 and they do not use judges on the sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted September 3, 2013 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2013 you can use centralized judges as long as you use video from the boat. This is in the rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klindy Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 @disland what do you mean specifically? Because you can used a "centralized" tower with two judges in it if you have gate video from both end. But this "centralized tower" needs to be bwteen 3 & 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted September 3, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted September 3, 2013 @klindy, exactly. And, to me, the "between 3 & 4" does not make any sense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted September 3, 2013 Baller Share Posted September 3, 2013 Between the 3 & 4 ball gives the judges an even view of the course to make a call. Otherwise skier would have an advantage if it is tough to see the far end of the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrs Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 @ral, with the right combination of cameras you can locate your central tower between 2 & 5. The angle is not important because of the video feed from your gate cameras. See IWSF rule 14.11: Slalom Judging. In the US, we must run under IWSF rules for class L and R, same as you. I hope this helps. BTW... you have a nice site! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted September 4, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted September 4, 2013 Problem I have is that our club house is not located between 2&5, or even between 1 and 6... Judges in the central tower are only looking at monitors when 4 cameras are in play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Edbrazil Posted September 4, 2013 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2013 Vs. Greater Miami Ski Club: last I was there a couple of years ago when they were upgraded for video judging with 3 vs. 5 judges, they had a tower each side between 2 and 5, & a gatecam feed to those towers from both ends, on a split screen. With the Cl. video from 2 other towers being run back to the Clubhouse, which was well outside of the course. See attached picture of the setup at the Clubhouse. Which also had a feed of the split screen gate video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klindy Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Having as separate location like the setup pictured above for use as a "view review" area is fine. I personally thnk that would not be acceptable for the "primary judging" of slalom (putting 2 judges in this room and a boat judge). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller disland Posted September 4, 2013 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2013 @klindy yes i was dealing with the judges being on just one side, not what they are doing here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted September 4, 2013 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2013 Real time big picture live eyeball view is still the best for slalom judging. Is a center mounted tower really that hard? Imperial uses a trailer tower that they can move into position for the tournaments. The review room can be anywhere. A spool of cable to the tower (with a generator powering the monitor) makes the video gate call by the central tower judges work. You do need to find two suckers to be stranded on the tower... Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted September 4, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted September 4, 2013 @eleeski, not that hard. But I think it is unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted September 5, 2013 Baller Share Posted September 5, 2013 @ral I see where you are going. We video tricks and jump. Why not slalom? But the technology is not quite there yet. We had a couple of camera feed failures when I was working the video room. The event went on fine with the live tower view. Once the auto pan camera tracker is perfected, your video judging will probably be approved. Sitting in the AC room on a comfy couch to work does sound appealing. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted September 6, 2013 Baller Share Posted September 6, 2013 add video conferencing into the technology mix, then judges can work from home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller sunperch Posted September 6, 2013 Baller Share Posted September 6, 2013 I'd rather be at the lake than sitting at home on the couch anyday!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ToddL Posted September 6, 2013 Baller Share Posted September 6, 2013 @sunperch - I agree. Some of the dedicated officials who do not ski, might prefer the comfort of home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ral Posted September 7, 2013 Author Baller Share Posted September 7, 2013 Well, I work for a company that does Remote Operation Centers for heavy industry and power generation. If you can control a big mining complex or nuclear plant from hundreds of miles away, how difficult can it be to judge bouys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klindy Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 True @ral but your budget is significantly higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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