Baller schroed Posted November 8, 2012 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2012 I'm curious to find out what wing angle everyone uses and how often they change it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller RichardDoane Posted November 8, 2012 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2012 9 usually, but go down to 7 for the warmer water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 8, 2012 Administrators Share Posted November 8, 2012 I only use a wing an 1/2 the skis I ride. So it is 8 or 9 or Nothing. Never more than 9. Never less than 7. Quote Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalogo ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted November 8, 2012 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2012 Never less than 7 never more than 9 for me. I go down as the temp rises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted November 8, 2012 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2012 7 almost always. Sometimes I change the size, but keep the angle the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirsten Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 a question. I have been told that most skiers don't need a wing with their ski. why are so many skis with wings and what benefit do you see to having a wing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 8, 2012 Administrators Share Posted November 8, 2012 @Kirsten Marketing. Until you are running 28 off at your top speed it does very little and may teach bad habbits Quote Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalogo ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 @Horton, be nice to her, she is my cousin! I have a question, what bad habits does it teach, and why doesn't it help you til 28? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted November 8, 2012 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2012 A wing helps your ski decelerate into the turn after the edge change. When you are skiing at longer lines or skiing longer paths at slower speed one needs to keep their speed up and more constant. To do this you remove the break or wing. Leaving the wing on when you are working on longer lines and slower speeds trains you to pull to long to try to maintain speed into the ball and try to pull to hard out of the ball to speed back up when speed could remain more constat with out the wing. @Horton chime in here if I went the wrong way with this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travnews Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I'm wingless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarneyLongden Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I use two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 8, 2012 Administrators Share Posted November 8, 2012 @BarneyLongden Now that is hard core old school Quote Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalogo ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 8, 2012 Administrators Share Posted November 8, 2012 @Brady Basically a wing is drag. @MattP has it pretty right. On many skis I do not like a wing at all. Wings also impact turn radius but again this is a crutch until you are a shorter rope and the angles are acute. at 36 mph a wing is a must. At 34 most but not all skiers use a wing. At slower speeds I think it just makes more work for the skier. Quote Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalogo ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 @BarneyLongden. Why two wings? Are you coming across the wake that fast? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brady Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 @Horton, so on my new SenateC that is hopefully being shipped, I should probably lose the wing, correct? I am at 34 and my best score now is 5balls at 15 off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 8, 2012 Administrators Share Posted November 8, 2012 You should try it without a wing and I would think that should be better for you. Quote Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalogo ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiJay Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 7 to 9 degrees, depending on the ski, and less wing for really cold water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted November 8, 2012 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2012 @skijay why do you go less for cold! It's usually the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkiJay Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 @MattP The short answer is that I tend to lose width when the water gets cold and "thick" because the ski decelerates and turns better in the pre-turn than it does in warm water. Less wing angle reduces both of these tendencies in cold water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Alberto Soares Posted November 8, 2012 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2012 Usually 8.5 in my fast water lake, when I go to slower sites 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addkerr Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 In cold water it gets harder to generate angle across the wakes, this makes you ski from ball to ball with no room or width. This is what creates the feeling of been fast and out of control. Once in cold water ski with your normal setting but concentrate on angle and width. The earlier and wider you get, the slower it will feel. I personally drop my wing to 8 degrees from 9. 36mph when it gets to 55F ish. Lowering the wing makes it easier to get width. So with the width comes better exit from the ball and more angle. Giving you space and time at the next one, making it feel a lot slower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_MS Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 7 on the Fusion, 9 everything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Than_Bogan Posted November 8, 2012 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2012 I had been 7 for years over a half dozen skis, but on the N1 I like 9 best so far. 7, perversely, seems to make it a little hard to get wide at -38. I strongly agree on not using a wing while learning. A pre-28 skier should be entirely focused on building more angle and more speed. The day when you can build so much during that phase that you need some help to drop it or control it lies in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtex2011 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 7 on fusion, none on A2....i've had mixed results with or without. i think without makes ur turn longer but less space in front of red buoys. i can scrap thru 38 with or without but cant get a start at 39 without. mostly because i'm clueless at that line length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigtex2011 Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 btw. i do think technique supersedes a wing. mine is so so. lots of room for improvement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyone Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 no box for no wing .if i put one on will that assure me being able to run my top speed and shorten da rope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I run 8 on my Fischer and Elite. Don't tweak much once I get things dialed in, and I don't change my wing in cold water. I did try no wing earlier in the summer but didn't like how fast I felt coming into the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Cam Posted November 8, 2012 Baller Share Posted November 8, 2012 I have used 9 and 7 and no wing this year, I have run 28 off with 9 and 7 but never without a wing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ham_Wallace Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 8 or 9, Front Ventral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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