matthewbrown Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 At maybe 5'9" he crushed a tail wind 39 at the western regionals and then went on to run 3@41 in route to victory over the likes of Nate Smith and Nick Parsons. It would be one thing if this was the first time he had skied so well but he's been quitely skiing this good for over 10 years now. There are many fantastic skiers out there and a handful that can ski as good/better then Terry but is there anyone at 5'9" who has ever run this top end buoy count on a consistent basis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 26, 2012 Administrators Share Posted July 26, 2012 Agree Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted July 26, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2012 @matthewbrown how tall is your brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 26, 2012 Administrators Share Posted July 26, 2012 @matthewbrown has a brother? Does he ski? Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewbrown Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 @mattp he's got Terry by about an inch but that's a great point. I guess the same argument can be made for Marcus....I think he does have a few more pro tour wins then Terry but as far as their performances over the years it has been Yen and Yang, nearly identical. Maybe I should reword the question.....would it be fair to say that for their size, Terry and Marucs are the two best slalom skiers ever? I get the fact that being tall has some minor set backs but you will never be able to convince me that those set backs are greater then someone considerably shorter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewbrown Posted July 26, 2012 Author Share Posted July 26, 2012 @horton I do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 26, 2012 Administrators Share Posted July 26, 2012 I want division for guys under 5'9. I would kick ass. Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted July 26, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2012 Me too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rq0013 Posted July 26, 2012 Share Posted July 26, 2012 hes on the new goode right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MattP Posted July 26, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2012 yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted July 26, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 26, 2012 Matt, without researching it, I would agree . MB and Twhisper. Some missed gates at Regionals in OM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shortenit Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Nate stroked 39 but missed his gates. Happens to the best of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 How tall is Sammy Duvall? If I recall he was a solid slalom skier and tricker, and I think he jumped OK too : ) His slalom scores are obviously not Terry and Marcus type scores, but given where the bar was back then among pro's, he did pretty well by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members The_MS Posted July 27, 2012 Members Share Posted July 27, 2012 My vote goes for Mr.Peabody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbdawg99 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Wim Decree seems to have some of the best form of anyone I've seen ski. I don't know how tall he is or what his accomplishments are.....but his skiing is amazing to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMeWeoIVNOI&feature=youtube_gdata_player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller liquid d Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 I'd vote for those 2....I try to watch their videos for help...hard to relate to super tall guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfennell Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Wim Decree is definately the best skiier I've ever seen in person (sorry ward, you are NOT pretty!), and that was with a broken wrist, he is seriously very very pretty to watch, but very short. He private coaches for a family at our lake... they fly him in for the week when the come so I have got a few lessons from him this summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Wish Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 How tall/short is he? What does he ride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jipster43 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I love watching a short LFF skier rip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BG1 Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 In slalom skiing, I think it is Wim DeCree; under 5’7”. Wim is the closest to a slalom machine I’ve ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marco Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 Wim coached me and some friends last fall. I don't think he was only 5'7". We seemed to be the same height, and I'm 5' 10"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 Sammy ran 38 maybe a couple of times. Saw a few scores of "6". So figured gates were missed. Glad to see Marcus, Nick, and Nate there. They don't have to throw down the big dollars for 1 round of non-cash tourney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MarcusBrown Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 I have Terry by 0.5" max But what counts, head height? or Reach?...cuz his monkey arms give him at least 3-4 Inches over my reach. My clincher steals about another 2" at 2,4,6 He has squeaked the ski around 3 in more tourney's than I have though.... Also, Greg Tate needs lasik or something.....dude couldn't tell the difference between the entry gates and 1 ball.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 27, 2012 Administrators Share Posted July 27, 2012 @MarcusBrown If you are over 5'9 you got me beat. I bet I am level 9 for guys 5'8 7/8" You and TW are freaking co-world record holders for guys under 6'. Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members SkiJay Posted July 27, 2012 Members Share Posted July 27, 2012 If the Terminator could ski, it would look like Wim Decree ... unflappable mechanical perfection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbdawg99 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 According to Wim's own website, he is 5'9". It also says that he is the "shortest skier to run 39 @ 36mph". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 Doesn't count now that he put it on his own website. Tate needs less weight training, then he will see straight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jlittle Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 @MarcusBrown why are you hatin' on Greg. Not saying he doesn't need lasik, or that he doesn't deserve it, and I suspect it's all in good fun. Somewhat. But, well, just but. IMO, entry gates are overrated. However, I suppose if they're there, and the rules say we have to go through them, then I guess we should. But it's not a super big advantage to go early at the shorter line lengths. Just my opinion. The missed call can go the other direction too. At 2008 w. regionals here in the NW my main ski buddy of 35+ years ened up second due to missed gate, and a missed call to the guy who ended up first. I think the gentleman lurks around the forum here a bit. Anyway, he didn't totally give up skiing because of it. It happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller BG1 Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 Just checked wimdecree.com and it list him at 5'7". He once told me he was just under that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 @MarcusBrown - Will see you and TW at Malibu Open next week! Can't wait as it's the only tournament I get to go to. Love watching you pro's ski. Best of luck to you and TW at MalibuOpen! As a "short" skier (5'9') I wish I could get to that point of 32, 35, 38.....perhaps in time. But kudo's to all those that can! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 It did seem that there was a normal height distribution in Open slalom in the Western Regionals this year. It was an impressive display of skill in that division - not height (Brian Kinney styled it despite having the optimum stature for a jumper or tricker). Shorter skiers may have an advantage in quickness and angle that balances a reach advantage. Although Nick Parsons looked pretty skilled despite being too (?) tall. If there was a physical trait that was unusual amongst those skiers, it would be how light they were. All seemed to be a bit skinnier than their size and ability to apply power would suggest. Less weight training? Stricter diets? But Terry might have been the most "buff" of the group. He'd still look anorexic at Disneyland... It was weird how many missed gates there were in Open. No massive complaints in the other divisions so the views should have been OK. Would you expect the most skilled skiers to make bonehead mistakes at such a massive rate? An unofficial video seemed to show Nate's gates as OK. Trickers were scoring fairly - maybe "those" judges were at the slalom lake cutting gates. As a spectator, I felt cheated. Marcus WAS struggling with gates that day. As I was coming back onto the site swooping through the entry to Bell Aqua in the official's golf cart (that I had stolen - Owen needs to fix that cart), Marcus had to skid his car to a stop to avoid the crash. I made it through the gates - he didn't. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Roger Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 Wim is 5' 7" and is the only skier of that height to have run a full pass at 39 in a record tournament as far as I know. I think that makes him the best "height challenged" skier I know of. Wim DeCree Profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webbdawg99 Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 You guys are correct. I made a typo. Wim's website states that he is 5'7". I think it definitely puts him on the list of best skiers for his size. But then the question can be asked, "what defines 'the best'"? I think an argument can be made for every guy mentioned on this thread. No matter how you call it, one thing is for certain..they're all amazing athletes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Skoot1123 Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 @webbdawg99 - I think you hit the nail on the head. Athletes! The ability to repeat the same motion for a given situation. Also, having the abilty to naturally do a "motion" in the most efficient way possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DW Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 I often thought that a great equalization factor to negate the advantage of height would be to measure the skier+handle=xx rather than simply the handle must be in tolerance. This technique is done in numerous other sports using other parameters such as weight. More thought does indicate if used, the short (read lightweight) skier would then have the advantage as less mass needs to be moved, lower cg and generally more quickness would tilt the advantage to the shorter/lighter skier. Eric, I think your comment on "ability to apply power" should actually read "ability to absorb power" since one really does not do any work when pushing a rope. The human body mass requirements are quite different for applying and absorbing power. I think that also provides insight on why lighter skiers seem to score well. Another sport focused on athlete weight that also requires a lot of BTU's to succeed is cycling. The top guys are really light (120-145 lbs), particularly the mountain kings. Along the lines of "really good athletes" I recall a few threads on the original BOS site about how well the slalom skier group scored in the best athlete competitions they used to hold. If I recall correctly, the MotoX guys tended to do extremely well. So, potato chips + TV + couch does not equal "great skier"!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MarcusBrown Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 Greg Tate has been a great friend for years.....the comment was complete sarcasm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 27, 2012 Administrators Share Posted July 27, 2012 @DW RedBull + Late Nights working on web site+ No Fitness also not equal "Great Skier" Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jlittle Posted July 27, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 27, 2012 Yeah MB, my comments were tounge in check too as I know you guys have been friends for years. Emotion is hard to convey in the written word, didn't mean for you to have to explain yourself and I'm sorry for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skihack Posted July 27, 2012 Share Posted July 27, 2012 I believe we can now go back to 64 strand rope for the Open skiers.:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller DW Posted July 28, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 28, 2012 JTH, Red Bull!!! You know that means more $$$ for that German kid! BTW: that was an amazing drive by your hero in Germany. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef23 Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Did Terry jump at Regionals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 28, 2012 Administrators Share Posted July 28, 2012 @dw Yep.you are right. RockStar this weekend. Yes last weekend was interesting... Good to win but I wonder what was going on background... Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhs Posted July 28, 2012 Share Posted July 28, 2012 Who is JTH's F1 hero? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Drago Posted July 29, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 29, 2012 Kimi R. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted July 29, 2012 Administrators Share Posted July 29, 2012 Kimi and or Ferd. Would still rather watch Terry Winter ski. Support BallOfSpray by supporting the companies that support BallOfSpray California Ski Ranch ☆ Connelly ☆ Denali ☆ Eden Lake ☆ Goode ☆ HO Syndicate ☆MasterCraft ☆ Masterline ☆ Pentalago ☆ Performance Ski and Surf ☆ Reflex ☆ Radar ☆ Rodics OffCourse ☆ S Lines ☆ Stokes About Horton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthewbrown Posted July 29, 2012 Author Share Posted July 29, 2012 Thanks @Horton, for getting the discussion back on track(F1 racing, give me a break). I certainly didn't mean to discount the great skiing of Wim Decree and I know he should be mentioned in this discussion especially if the reports of 5'7" are accurate. Terry and Marcus are accomplished Pro Tour veterans with multiple titles, podium finishes and world cup standings under their belt as well as having placed in the top 20 nearly every year(excluding injuries)on the IWSF world ranking list the last 10 years, and each has placed inside the top 10 at least once. Wim looks to be consistently on the list as well but a little further down, and I really don't know if Wim has had a chance to ski in as many tours as Marcus and Terry so it could be that he just doesn't have the numbers on his side. Again, at 5'7" I have nothing but respect for Wim and being a fellow lefty I would love to ski with him someday---I'm headed to west palm in a few weeks so maybe someone can hook me up with him! I liked what @DW said in reference to having the reach+handle being even across the board or at least have a tolerance for it, that would be great to watch at a record or pro tour tourney..... I think the advantage would definitely go to guys like Wim, Terry and Marcus. I've seen Marcus and Terry practice with a 6" extension on the rope, not only were their 39's much easier but instead of running 2,3 and occasionally 4 at 41, they started running 4,5 and the whole pass. But, this the nature of the sport, you can't penalize Parrish for being 6'5", I mean if a defensive back was to play as a D lineman you wouldn't make all the lineman drop 100 pounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Than_Bogan Posted July 29, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 29, 2012 Yeah some of us need a sport where being a gangly tall dufus is rewarded! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntx Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 @chef23 Yes he went 182 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef23 Posted July 30, 2012 Share Posted July 30, 2012 @ntx that is pretty cool that TW jumps like that also. Does he trick as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jimbrake Posted July 30, 2012 Baller Share Posted July 30, 2012 @chef23. And his 182 was with a 3/4 cut, 5 1/2 foot ramp, tailwind. Very safe. He just started back jumping last year. He could go far if he wanted to push it. Don't think he's tricked since he was a kid, but I'm sure he'd be good at that, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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