clakeny Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 We have an 07 ski nautique with about 1625 hour on it. The hole shot is starting to get pretty weak. We did a compression test on it in the middle of last year and everything checked out ok. We are looking at alternatives to buying a new boat. We have talked about trying to do some sort of repair to it or maybe even replacing the engine. I figured that I would post on here to see if someone had some thought on this. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eyepeeler Posted June 21, 2012 Baller Share Posted June 21, 2012 Take your boat to Jody Seal and let him repower with ZO for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted June 21, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted June 21, 2012 Worth fixing IMHO. That does not sound like it would be a big problem to fix. How is the condition of the rest of the boat? Is it a club boat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakeny Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 The boat is sort of a club boat. There are about 5 or 6 owners. The boat is in good shape other wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakeny Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 The boat already has ZO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted June 21, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted June 21, 2012 5-6 owners sounds like a club to me. ZO, and in good shape and everyones happy with it's skiability..... I'd fix it. If it has any issues, you would have to fix them anyway if your going to sell it. Not to many ways around that unless it's not that noticeable of an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakeny Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 Any suggestions on what might be the issue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted June 21, 2012 Baller Share Posted June 21, 2012 How many hours on it? I have an 02 boat with 800 hours on it that is just as strong as the day it was new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted June 21, 2012 Baller Share Posted June 21, 2012 1625 duhh! J/k ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted June 21, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted June 21, 2012 $3500.00 plus shipping gets you a brand spanking new long block 5.7 Chevy. provided all your intake and maranized PCM parts are good we can swap it out for $500.00 I get the core motor! One year warranty. A new pair if jump skis and a new slalom ski costs that much! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwroblew Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Pull the engine out and have an engine builder go through it in the off season. Relatively inexpensive compared to the cost of a new boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted June 21, 2012 Baller Share Posted June 21, 2012 Typically, you could expect 2400hours out of a properly maintained PCM engine. Have you had it on a scanner? A leakdown test done? A compression check doesn't really tell you the real story on the health of an engine like a leakdown will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Wish Posted June 21, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted June 21, 2012 @clakeny. I take back what I said earlier. You should sell that boat to me. Sounds like it's going to be way to much of a pain and expense. I'll take that nightmare off your hands. What???? To late?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clakeny Posted June 21, 2012 Author Share Posted June 21, 2012 @Wish everything has it price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted June 21, 2012 Administrators Share Posted June 21, 2012 Run a web site. Travel with full gas can. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted June 21, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted June 21, 2012 If you were to come in my shop with a truly wore out small block I would not re-build it for these reasons. Here in Panama city we do not have the availability of having a crank even balanced, we can have a motor bored but not align bored, I do have a great head re-builder. having to send out motor blocks and cranks for service if needed runs up the overall cost of the build. yea some of us can build for ourselves a small block for around $2,500 or less but....... warrantying for more than 90 days is a tough one. Another $1000.00 and you get a brand new one! Shane is right though has the motor been put on diacom, leak down, and compression check. how is the fuel pressure? keep in mind that is not cheap either as most dealerships will charge at least $100 per hour to run these diagnostics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boarditup Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Jody - that sounds like a solid deal for a new long block. Here in MI, we are lousy with motor shops, so rebuilds are cheap. Of course, you still have your same block with other potential issues and you don't have a warranty, like you said. So, a great option. Can you add modern electronics to an older block and head combo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
454SS Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Remanned block maybe??? i know merc has them for cheap and a one year warrenty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Killer Posted June 22, 2012 Baller Share Posted June 22, 2012 if its got good compression and otherwise runs well, I would doubt its the motor. as has been stated the engines are good for 2500+ hrs of hard use, if maintained well. could be a bad lifter or valve sticking. you are also generally going to go through a tranny before the engine, especially a club boat that has 2 speeds and lots of use. so it could be any number of things not related to the motor. have the drive line checked from the prop up to the tranny. hose leaks, including the exhaust, throttle cable, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted June 22, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted June 22, 2012 @clakeny - I'd send the injectors out for an ultrasonic cleaning, the flow bench results will tell the story, fresh tune up parts and a fuel filter and I'll bet your hole shot will be back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EJOJprop Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 A new propeller or having the current propeller looked at will be the least expensive option, Jody can take care of that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixball Posted June 22, 2012 Share Posted June 22, 2012 richarddoane is on the money. I would start with the injectors. with the fuels today they could be trash. One thing people don't talk about much are valve springs, if they are week it can cost big H.P. Have a leak down test run on the engine. It should be very cheep to run some tests Leak down , compression fuel pressure valve spring seat and open pressure. If you do this you will know if a rebuild is needed or just some small amount of tune up work . I would not spend the money for a new boat if you are happy with yours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress_Gardens_1 Posted June 23, 2012 Share Posted June 23, 2012 water filter!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted June 23, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted June 23, 2012 Many good comments, but certainly perform a leak down test if the simple things like injector cleaning, filters don't do the trick. A leak test in combination with a properly done compression test will tell you if the hard parts are okay (rings, pistons, valves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller AKShortline Posted June 23, 2012 Baller Share Posted June 23, 2012 It will never cost less money than now to upgrade. I just sold a 2007 with ZO and bought a 200. I highly recommend the upgrade. Much better boat, we are loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted June 23, 2012 Baller Share Posted June 23, 2012 Funny - I've gone from a 200 back to a 2007 w/ ZO. I like the 196 hull better for my application and the 200 burns 30% more fuel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller eleeski Posted June 23, 2012 Baller Share Posted June 23, 2012 If your engine is truly getting weak, get a lower pitch prop. You will run a few more RPMs and cut the top speed but the boat will feel like new for a couple more years. The cost is probably less than a thorough tune up. The current prop is quite likely not to spec - see if you can borrow a different prop to test. 1600 hours is not that high for an engine - especially with good compression. But my props never last that long. A cheap plugs and wires tune up might fix things. But you probably don't wait till the rats eat the wires and the spark plug's electrodes erode to nothing (like my boats - which still have good hole shots). Or you could get a new MC and have a great trick wake too. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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