Baller_ Wish Posted September 21, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted September 21, 2011 Sorry, first pick is sideways. Second pic is WSM 1995 Boat Buyers Guide review of California Skier. 3rd pick is direct comparison in order from left to right, 1994 SN, 1994 MC 190, and the California. It compares very favorably if not better. They went on to add great trick and board wake. So so for barefoot. I always liked the little prop levels they gave the boats back in the day.. hmmmm. looked better on my phone. and the third pic is to tiny. Dont know why. Basically the California beats SN and MC at long lines and ties at short line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kona Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Nice work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kona Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Nice work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted September 22, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted September 22, 2011 JTH, perfect! Jr. in 5th is good, will make for an interesting chase with Tony leading after a mediocre season. Only because they specialize in that unique boat . . . certainly not for skiing expertise which reigns supreme on this site and nowhere else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted September 22, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted September 22, 2011 JTH, perfect! Jr. in 5th is good, will make for an interesting chase with Tony leading after a mediocre season. Only because they specialize in that unique boat . . . certainly not for skiing expertise which reigns supreme on this site and nowhere else! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted September 22, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted September 22, 2011 The WSM boat test on the Calif Skier was done back when they actually tested the boats in depth. Now a day's the tests are a glorified photo shoot for advertisement purposes. As A repair shop owner dedicated to the inboard market I am starting to see a few boats coming in that we are re-powering to to utilize the ZO speed control. Currently we have a mid 90 Malibu Euro that we are re powering with a Excalibur 343 By PCM. Nice thing is PCM has made it stupid proof to re-power older ski boats, drop it in plug and play. The oldest I have done is a 79 SN with a EX-330 however The guy liked Perfect Pass and I installed a StarGazer dbw unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted September 22, 2011 Baller Share Posted September 22, 2011 What is the sticker on a re-power? Any market for the old engine in these to offset cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ Jody_Seal Posted September 22, 2011 Baller_ Share Posted September 22, 2011 Well I guess it all depends on who you talk to about the price of a new motor. For me it depends on if I am doing the work or drop shipping a motor to someone. Being I am only re-powering with PCM products usually the cost to the customer for a Excalibur sitting on my shop floor bobtail is somewhere in the $8,500.00 Range. The worth of the pull out motor depends on what it is and how many hours and well maintained. A pull Out GT-40 could bring upwards of $3,500.00 Or as little as $500.00. Also having a market for pullout motors is a good thing to have. I sat on a 305 proski PCM motor with low hours wanting $2,500 and finally wound up setting it in a 22' foot Mako and selling it for $1,500. So it all depends on how bad you want to move the pull out equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travnews Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 @horton why did you suggest classic over stargazer? I had stargazer installed on my boat when I purchased it, what are the benefits to running classic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted September 23, 2011 Administrators Share Posted September 23, 2011 Most skiers feel that Classic is a more consistent pull. Gazer does some strange thing. Slow first segment and hot second... or is the other way around. Whatever Classic is generally more dependable if you have a reasonable driver Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
travnews Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 Whats the easiest system to drive with zo or classic, most of my drivers are newer to the course (getting better). It seems my boat pulls hot at first and then settles down. I would purchase the zo update if it is eaiser to drive with. I guess if it's harder to drive with that is probably the only reason I wouldn't purchase it. Also with classic call I still use the magnet setup at only the entrance gates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted September 23, 2011 Baller Share Posted September 23, 2011 Travnews, ZO is the easiest system to drive. PP/Star Gazer has gotten better over the years, but takes more setup to make it perfect. ZO just map the course and go, it never over shoots a speed or runs hot sagments because it is part of the ECM system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted September 24, 2011 Baller Share Posted September 24, 2011 @Horton, I told you how to fix those issues with SG. See the thread http://ballofspray.vanillaforums.com/discussion/3811/perfectpass-zo-update-final-testing-and-evaluation-shortline-lake-elk-grove-ca#Item_42. Last 12 - 14 posts. Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted September 24, 2011 Administrators Share Posted September 24, 2011 @Ed Obermeier I missed those posts. I just run this place. Goode ★ HO Syndicate ★ KD Skis ★ MasterCraft ★ PerfSki Radar ★ Reflex ★ S Lines ★ Stokes Drop a dime in the can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted March 29, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted March 29, 2012 Do I have the only California Skier with PP Stargazer?? I'm anxious to try this boat out on the course. Only used it for floating on public lakes with the kids last summer . http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b265/rodltg2/P3280002.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller GAJ0004 Posted March 29, 2012 Baller Share Posted March 29, 2012 Let us know how it works.. I have never seen one in person, but I would be suprised to find on in PA. I did see a Ski Challenger docked at a lake in Ohio.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
east tx skier Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Toolman! I was going to guess Infinity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted May 21, 2012 So far I have skied the boat twice since the Stargazer install. Stargazer is working great. No problems with times or getting it to lock into speed. The boat tracks really well, I was surprised since the rudder has not been shaved. Ist get upto speed and pulls up a 220lbs skier with no problems. I can only comment on the wake thru 28 as I am a longliner. 15 feels small and soft , really not much of a noticable difference from lets say a cc196. The 22 bump is there, and felt similar to a 93MC190. 28 no bump and smooth transitions. Will have to wait for better skiers to come along to get the opinion on shorter lengths. Only issue, but small , is when coming around the islands it tends to roll over a bit. Easily fixed by turning a bit wider. http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b265/rodltg2/IMG_0361.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Not_The_Pug Posted May 21, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 21, 2012 Rod, It is a nice looking boat. Glad to have you & Steve out at Pleasant Oak. I will ski with you guys anytime to try shortline, you just caught us Satuday working on a project. The only comment I will make is the exhaust note sounds cool (I like racing), but is louder than an 08 MC. :) You can definitly tell when you guys are skiing. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted May 21, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted May 21, 2012 Do you know the weight of that craft, looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted May 21, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted May 21, 2012 @ kevin , yes its a loud one! @DW do not know the weight, its not in the brochure. However it must be light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kona Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 looks very clean. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ DW Posted May 22, 2012 Baller_ Share Posted May 22, 2012 I will be curious to hear feedback on how good the wake is for your buoy runs. As for noise, if you want to knock it down a bit, you might try some stiffer rubber baffles on the tips, that helps a lot. You can get various thickness of rubber from McMaster-Carr and cut them yourself. If the compression ratio is up a bit, there will be some noise attributed to that. I am sure it sounds great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller h2oskifreak Posted May 22, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 22, 2012 Agree with the comment about 90's colors. My 94 MC 190 is the Teal and Pink. I can't afford newer, so it was what it was. Came from a Stars and Stripe w/ Flake and it is hard to lose the cool factor, but when I ski the new rig, the coolness is a distant memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted May 22, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 22, 2012 Super cool...loved those boats. Looks awesome in the water and I like the old school gel coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ham_Wallace Posted May 22, 2012 Baller Share Posted May 22, 2012 Old School Boat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller rodltg2 Posted September 4, 2012 Author Baller Share Posted September 4, 2012 Finally got a chance to snap a pic of the wake. It was close to 34 or so, i was hand drving. Not the best shot , not easy to drive and snap a pic with iphone. http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b265/rodltg2/IMG_0935.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Waternut Posted September 4, 2012 Baller Share Posted September 4, 2012 The specs on that sheet show 2,250lbs with the engine. That's pretty much the same weight as the new carbon pro's. That's freaking awesome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobbyroy Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Concentrate on speed and rock! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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