WIskier Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 Hey guys, I had a couple of questions about the new radar senate, not the senate c. How is it in the course, and what is the shortest line length you would recommend skiing at? And is there really that big of a difference between the regular senate and the senate c? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kfennell Posted January 31, 2011 Share Posted January 31, 2011 I an only tell you what Ward told me when I bought it, I am 240 lbs and I ski 32 mph max right now. He said that it was a great ski if you are a little heavier since it is wide, and that it turns smooth with no quick jerk at the end, he told me it was good for me till i started to ski at 36 mph, but that I would need to get something else at that point (maybe the end of this summer?). I guess I can't really give too much advice on how far the ski can take you but I can say that it is SUPER easy to learn on compared to the 3-4 other skis that I have skied in the course with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted January 31, 2011 Administrators Share Posted January 31, 2011 The stock Senate might be good up to 28 off. it is more forgiving than the C but the C will get you into 35 off. BABE’S ★ California Ski Ranch ★ Connelly ★ Denali ★ Goode ★ Mastering The Art Of Waterskiing HO ★ KDSkis ★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ SLines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie_roberts_jr Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Thanks John but remember these are the new shapes based on the Strada design and they are a good bit better at all levels than the 2010 model and have been skied into 41 off in competition. UP TO 28? INTO 35? Please! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
countymountie Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 41 off???? WOW! When I take my new Strada 55 down to Jack's next month...........I see 39 going DOWN!!! Uh huh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 1, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 1, 2011 I've personally watched the Strada 55 get 2 at 41 and 1 at 41 in successive rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIskier Posted February 1, 2011 Author Share Posted February 1, 2011 I thought the regular senate is based off the senate c and lyric and the senate c is based off the strada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted February 1, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 1, 2011 '11 Senate and Senate C are the same mold, both based off the Strada. Just different materials. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Killer Posted February 2, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 2, 2011 I am leaning towards getting the 2011 Senate C also, but a big reason is the price at $599. I am coming off a 67" system 8, running the RS1 boots already & love them. I am about 5'10" 180lbs in ski season, maybe a bit lighter if the weight room sees me more... skiing into 28off 32-34mph. tempting 32off on a good day would be a goal. skied an A1 67.5" last year and liked it instantly. also tried the Zt St 67", and liked that but want something just a little more forgiving and stable.  The A1 I preferred to the Z7 FWIW I am humming and hawing about getting into a leftover A1 (price range is around $600 also), but would consider of course the 2010 Strada, and the new 2011 Vice.Wanted to know what peoples thoughts are, and if maybe a Vice would be a better ski for me or the higher end 2010 Strada?  Is there any other difference between the Vice and Senate C other than .2" wider?thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted February 2, 2011 Administrators Share Posted February 2, 2011 Hey Eddie, I thought the idea at Radar was a ski for every level of skier (Mid range) Senate => (Upper range)Senate C => (Kick Ass)Strada BABE’S ★ California Ski Ranch ★ Connelly ★ Denali ★ Goode ★ Mastering The Art Of Waterskiing HO ★ KDSkis ★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ SLines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie_roberts_jr Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 John, you're right on with that assumption but as the Senate and Senate C are patterned after the Strada there is a ton of performance built in for speeds up to 34 MPH and both are clearly shortline capable with the stability and forgiving nature inherent in their design. Killer asked about the differences between Vice and Senate C. Besides the slight differences in width the Vice is built with a machined polyurethane core and is a 1/2 glass and 1/2 carbon composite. The Senate C has a molded polyurethane core and is all carbon plus it  has a round tail for added stability to go along with the extra width. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old MS Accout Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Probation??????????????????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Garn Posted February 3, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 3, 2011 Question for Eddie. I went into Marine Products in Salt Lake yesterday just to look at the Vice. They have a Vice but it doesn't look at all like the Vice on the Radar website. It looks more like a Strada with a couple of blue stripes through it. I love the look of the ski on the website. But I was disappointed with the looks of this one. Is this an early version or do you have different graphics for the Vice?  Thanks, Garn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie_roberts_jr Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 The skis we're shipping look just like the Vice on the website - only a lot bigger. I don't know what it is they're showing but we've only had the one graphic. Was it shiny or dull? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Garn Posted February 5, 2011 Baller Share Posted February 5, 2011 It looked just like the ski in this picture:http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=1836935604596&set=a.1268326669728.2041385.1276669657&theater Which doesn't look like the one on your website. Thanks,Garn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kona Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Hey Garn just my 2cents but Marine Products customer service is some of the worst I have ever experienced. I now do what ever I can to stay away from there. Order online from someone who wants your business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddie_roberts_jr Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 Hey Garn, If you're referring to the picture of the young guy who looks like he's the proud new owner of a Vice standing next to Chris Sullivan- that's what the ski looks like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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