Help w/Radar liners

[6balls]

Hello,

Under the tree was a box containing Radar Strada bindings and intuition liners.  This is my first departure from rubber bindings.

What is the best way to mold the liners at home ie) what temp and how long?  Are any of you using/not using the extra insole piece provided inside the liner?

Thanks much!

[Chef23]

Fluid Motion has a video on their website http://www.jagersport.com/FMLinerMold.wmv I just followed those instructions and it worked great.

 

I don't remember an extra insole. I put the insole that came with in the binding. From my snow skiing days you want any corrections as close to the foot as possible.

[Horton]

Hold on a second.
The RadaR liners are Intuition foam (The good stuff) but are pretty thin. I only cook mine if I really need them to take up more volume around my foot. Cooking the foam makes it expand and then IF you do everything right it will take a new shape when if cools. If you screw it up you can only reform the liners 2 or 3 times before they start to really shrink and then you need to buy new ones. 

My personal recommendations are as follows:
Replace the RadaR insoles with “Green” Superfeet insoles http://www.rei.com/product/724375
Place the insoles in the boot – under the liner. If you put the insoles inside the liners it changes the way the liners release and is not as safe.

Ski in them before you even think about heat molding.
When you go skiing snug the bottom lace the as much as you feel you need – snug to top lace as little as you dare. This will seem crazy the first time you do it but trust me. The real test is, when you want to take your ski off, you should not need to loosen the laces at all.

[Tuney]

Like John said I'd ski them first. My liners have never been heat molded and they fit great.

[6balls]

Great advice.  Will punt on the heat molding, and experiement with the insole in the liner vs. in the shell below the liner w/r/t comfort.  Slap that baby on the new Razor and put it away til spring.

[jipster43]

The tip on footbed placement is much appreciated. I didn't consider the potential for release impediments with the insole inside the liner. I'll have to swap mine around. Thanks!

JP :)

[Dirt]

I agree with what Horton said except I would not buy the superfeet unless you need to. The shape of your foot and fit will determine whether you need superfeet or heat molding. The Radar insole worked fine for me. It goes inside the liners. The liners release from the boots. There is no release impediment with the insole inside the liner. The only problem you will have with release is if you tighten the laces too tight.

[6balls]

Will have to ski it come spring, but finding it very comfortable with radar insole inside the liner.  Had to trim the insole to fit right so it wouldn't bunch up.  Given how comfortable, I'm not going to worry about the heat molding.  I do find a bit of an issue, though, in that I like a tight binding.  If I tighten too much, it is very clear I would not come out of there. 

[Bud Man]

John,

Did you mean to say the opposite of what you said above? Since the liner is designed to slide out of the shell I would not think anything should go between the two. I know I do not always type or say what I intend to. I like my RS-1s. They do not cramp my feet like the Animals did. They keep them warmer in the winter, but I do not ski as well. A trade I was willing to make.

[Horton]

With the Superfeet (somewhat stiff insole) - if you put them inside the liners they change the release in a bad way. If you put them under the liners they do not change release.

[h2odawg79]

If putting footbed between Binding and Liner, Good tip;  A small sq. of velcro placed @ the Heel of Binding and footbed will keep the footbed in place when removing or releasing...

I molded my RS-1's as per Pauls Convection instructions. Worked Great and Feels even betta! Nice Custom fit...

[Horton]

My Superfeet don't move. Not at bad idea but I have no need for the velcro.

[Roger]

I use green superfeet in the liner, haven't noticed any difference in the release characteristics. I believe Eddie also uses them in the liner and the stock insoles go in the liner. They (at least green superfeet) are certainly not going to influence the ejection anymore than your foot would (IMO).

I have never heat molded my liners either, wouldn't bother unless I couldn't get a decent fit.

[ForrestGump]

Rossi told me it's up to the user whether they put the insole inside or under the liner. I used my superfeet under the liner. 

[Chef23]

My boots fit tight and heating the liners helped them fit better around my toes.

[MrJones]

Agree with Shane and Rossi. In liner or boot, whichever feels best for you. I like 'em in the boot b/c I used 'em that way for years in my powershells.

 

I had trouble heating the liners and then getting them in boots for fitting. The thicker liners and hard shell of the Goode's was never a problem, but I got the first Strada into a wadded up mess trying to shove it in there hot. I wound up putting it in the boot cold, then shoved the wife's hair dryer in it for a few minutes. No prob. I then just left the other boot cold and skied on it that way. No prob and no hassle. 

[mylemsky]

Superfeet in liner or boot comfortable. Found when in the liner, if even a little damp, Superfeet were way too grippy and my toes would never get flat or comfortable.

[Chuck_Dickey]

For me, the RS-1 liners mold better than the Strada's.  Strada's are thinner and worked better for me w/o molding. Superfeet greens in the liner is the way to go!