h2odawg79 Posted October 29, 2010 Share Posted October 29, 2010 I'm just a bit curious, wait a minute, -"Very curious" as to why those of you who use the WSF, actually read, write or participate in the 1st place?Seriously, for those who are not too ashamed to admit it. Please enlighten me. -whisper if you'd like. But, seriously I am totally lost on this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted October 29, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 29, 2010 I generally read there. Sometimes I post if I have something pertinet to say. Basically my ski season is over and I am jonesing already. I tend to skip over the flaming stuff. I don't understand people's issue with Robert Marking. If you don't agree with what someone posts just don't read it. These are discussion boards. Nothing to get all worked up over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Andre Posted October 30, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2010 You seems to forget that TWSF used to be THE #1 PLACE for dicussing waterski!Skifly is a lot worst.I know from your username that you do participate in other forums so you must get something else out of those forums that you don't get here!Nothing to be ashamed from posting or reading TWSF in my mind...Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2odawg79 Posted October 30, 2010 Author Share Posted October 30, 2010 Thanx Chef & Andre. Andre, the key thing in your above line is "Used to Be"... They seem to have made the choice to be "Evolving" in the wrong direction. Maybe if more of the descent people (most of us...) who represent our little ski community would completely Blow off the sites and opportunities that allow that kind of activity, undermining the Sports integrity as well as the users, with that which is totally Not in anyones best interests, -the Loose cannons, their moderators and the Ladies on "the View" would have a lot less to talk about... Integrity, takes a Life time to Build.  But, can be Lost in a single Moment... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 30, 2010 Administrators Share Posted October 30, 2010 I am pretty proud of the culture here. It did not happen by accident. I think the owners of the other forums are good guys but I also do not think they put in the time to shape thier forums like I do. Honestly it is 1/2 effort and 1/2 luck. I have been pretty lucky the way BOS has shaped up. BABE’S ★ California Ski Ranch ★ Connelly ★ Denali ★ Goode ★ Mastering The Art Of Waterskiing HO ★ KDSkis ★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ SLines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller A_B Posted October 30, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2010 I go both ways (WSF and here) and sometimes pro ski coach, but stopped looking at Skifly a long time ago. I was on WSF way back since inception, there has been some trouble makers that have come and gone over time, and agree with Chief. Aside from the RJM thing, it is pretty tame. I have enjoyed sharing ideas with a lot of good people over the years, and am thankful guys like John and Kent go through the trouble of providing a hangout for us. I have not skied much the last two seasons, so having a place to talk about my favorite sport is great! Ay least I can keep my head in the game for when I come off the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted October 30, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2010 I'm with Dawg. I haven't even looked at Skifly in a long time and I pretty much don't look at TWSF anymore, it's devolved into a joke in my opinion. A couple of the folks screwing it up over there have tried to do the same here and been corrected by the crew here which IMO is one of the best parts of this forum as Horton alluded to, the nature of the culture here. It's still serious and friendly and oriented towards skiing rather than assauging egos, being the nost notorious poster, whatever. Damn shame, that used to be a really good forum till the ego driven idiots started screwing it up with their flame wars.Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck_Dickey Posted October 30, 2010 Share Posted October 30, 2010 Horton has done a great job keeping BOS from being dragged down as the others mention have been. I do still like to check in at ProSkiCoach, they are still going in the right direction.I would like to see more Pro's join in here on BOS, like Asher, MB, Jamie and & Rossi. Maybe we can improve our posted questions to draw them in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Chef23 Posted October 30, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 30, 2010 Skifly is a good place to go for Trick and jump discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller_ RichardDoane Posted October 30, 2010 Baller_ Share Posted October 30, 2010 I've been able to sell a few things on skifly. Trick/Jump stuff mostly. But since my "spare" time is limited, I only read and post on this forum and agree with Ed's statements above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jipster43 Posted October 31, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2010 I just read the Nate Smith thread on skifly. I think they could ban a few folks and not suffer too greatly from it. I really appreciate this place. It's pure skiing. I rarely have to wade through someone's political diatribes or snarky remarks, but if such things rear their ugly heads someone is quick to add levity and bring the conversation back to having fun. Thanks Horton! And thanks to the rest of you! JP :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 31, 2010 Administrators Share Posted October 31, 2010 Believe me guys, I am working every day to keep you here and looking elsewhere less. BABE’S ★ California Ski Ranch ★ Connelly ★ Denali ★ Goode ★ Mastering The Art Of Waterskiing HO ★ KDSkis ★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ SLines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 31, 2010 Administrators Share Posted October 31, 2010 Brent, Classic typo. You have been reading my stuff too long. "Horton has a much better gripe on BOS" BABE’S ★ California Ski Ranch ★ Connelly ★ Denali ★ Goode ★ Mastering The Art Of Waterskiing HO ★ KDSkis ★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ SLines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted October 31, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2010 Maybe he meant it as how it was written...GRIPE.....we just do it better here....more civilized like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 31, 2010 Administrators Share Posted October 31, 2010 This forum is the way it is because of you guys. If you want to make BOS suck, you can sink the whole thing. I can kick you all out one at a time but there is not a lot else I can do. One the other hand, if you want to help it continue to improve, you can take some ownership and build it up. A forum is like a public park, you can come and go as you please and there is no one that is going to make you pick up your own trash. If (metaphorically) it is a public park in your neighborhood you might pick up your trash and the trash left by the a-holes who do not care. I would like you guys to see BOS a as a park in your neighborhood. To me most other forums are public places where not one cares if you piss in the pool or pick up your trash. I must emphasize that I have a much higher opinion of the actual owners of the other forums than I do of the culture in those forums. Never let it be said that I personally criticized Kent or the Roger/Scot. These guys love waterskiing and mean to promote it. I simply do not agree with thier approach. It takes time and an understanding of web culture to get a forum to a health state. (I do not think that Wade belongs in this rant. I think he does a solid job.) The ideal state of BOS is that besides being a fun diversion, this forum is a source of information for skiers at all levels. I want skiers who are stuck at 15 or 28 off getting advice from guys stuck at 38 or 39 off (and so on). If you have ever wondered why I get testy when I read what I think is bad advice this is why. I want this site to be a source of reference. The most read articles are about gear or technical. I admit that I am competitive about this. I want all the smart guys here talking about things that are meaningful and all the bone heads elsewhere. I want BallOfSpray to continue to grow and be a positive force in the sport. BABE’S ★ California Ski Ranch ★ Connelly ★ Denali ★ Goode ★ Mastering The Art Of Waterskiing HO ★ KDSkis ★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ SLines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ed_Obermeier Posted October 31, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2010 Amen John! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skibug Posted October 31, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2010 BallofSpray all the way!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller LeonL Posted October 31, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2010 I do read TWSF and post there occasionally, but it really got bad a few weeks back and I got really tired of reading the flames. I'm gonna work on getting Nate on BOS. Don't know him so well, but I know his main ski partner. (ST) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller skidawg Posted October 31, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2010 The other forums (has nuthin' to do w the ownership) are full of crybabies stirring a big poo pot! I read them occassionally for entertainment purposes only! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jdarwin Posted October 31, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2010 I've known Kent (the webmaster at WSF) for a long time. He started the forum as a service to the community and it has served its purpose well. Kent doesn't micro-manage the site in the same manner Horton does. But then again, no one really associates the site (and its content) with Kent in the same manner that Horton is associated with this site. Kent jumps in from time to time but he doesn't ski much anymore and is not as involved in sport as he once was.As for reading / contributing, I chime in if I feel I have something to offer but it has evolved into something far removed from its original concept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted October 31, 2010 Administrators Share Posted October 31, 2010 As I tried to say above.... I have some things to say about other forums but nothing but nice things to say about guys like Kent. BABE’S ★ California Ski Ranch ★ Connelly ★ Denali ★ Goode ★ Mastering The Art Of Waterskiing HO ★ KDSkis ★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ SLines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller ForrestGump Posted October 31, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2010 I will say that I, for one, am very thankful for BOS. Not only for the content, but for the simple fact that I have made a LOT of good friends from here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller jipster43 Posted October 31, 2010 Baller Share Posted October 31, 2010 What about the parks with the wineos? JP :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Ali Posted November 1, 2010 Baller Share Posted November 1, 2010 I have no choice if I want a fix at work, firewall blocks BOS but not TWSF. Ali Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Bulldog Posted November 1, 2010 Baller Share Posted November 1, 2010 Ball of spray is a classic example of what a web forum should be: well organized, well run, looks great and is easy to use. There are other search engines on the web but I bet most people use google for the reasons I stated before. I look at the other waterski sites the same way, I will go there but mostly to look at a train wreck. Mike "Do Better..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller thager Posted November 1, 2010 Baller Share Posted November 1, 2010 There's some good stuff if you don't take it too seriously. I rarely post there anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2odawg79 Posted November 2, 2010 Author Share Posted November 2, 2010 This has thankfully turned out to be a pretty cool thread! Some Good views from Good people and it provided the opportunity for a little more author and reader awareness. We all have a choice of What we say, How we say it and Where we say it.The upside to the questionable sites is; They act as "Decoys," attracting the kind of activity and attitudes that are unwanted and untolerated here on BOS or PSC. Not to mention, they clearly define and exemplify the "What Not to do's" if you would like to  Win friends and influence people! Thanx Horton! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller 6balls Posted November 2, 2010 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2010 Horton is right, this has a lot to do w/the membership and what we Ballers choose to tolerate. A while back there was a thread that got a little testy and a number of people jumped right in, called out the posters and let them know the comments were out of line. If the entire BOS culture comes down on that kind of behavior, you won't see it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller MAD11 Posted November 2, 2010 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2010 Stop this thread you guys. It's gettng me all misty about how special all you BOS brothers are. Need to confirm and finalize the Ballers Bash so we can all be special together. Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemsondave Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 BOS has The Krista..... nuf said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baller Than_Bogan Posted November 2, 2010 Baller Share Posted November 2, 2010 Indeed -- victory is now clear.And I see darwin now has a Darwin icon. Finally! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Horton Posted November 5, 2010 Administrators Share Posted November 5, 2010 I am starting to have remorse about this thread. I spend a lot of time working to make BallOfSpray better. I feel competitive about the other forums and web sites. On the other hand, I sort of feel like this thread is an insult to Kent and I am not good with that. In the past I have been openly critical of the culture on other sites and I am not sure that is polite either. I want the content on this site to be so good that you do not go anywhere else but I do not want to tear someone else down doing so. I am going to close this thread and leave you with a totally gratuitous picture of The_Krista  http://lh3.ggpht.com/_4-6ay9R-bLE/TNSiFL2KD_I/AAAAAAAAEYg/SKvvhW0IC70/s800/gratuitous.jpg BABE’S ★ California Ski Ranch ★ Connelly ★ Denali ★ Goode ★ Mastering The Art Of Waterskiing HO ★ KDSkis ★ MasterCraft ★ MasterLine ★ PerfSki ★ Radar ★ Reflex ★ SLines ★ Stokes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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